Does anyone have the drawing for the loco lead wights Barry used to send out for the annies? I have 3 of his drives I want to finish off but I lost the drawing.
Red,
I also have two of Barry’s drives and both of them are weighted with a length of PVC pipe with buckshot in them. I have never seen one of his drives with a ‘dimensioned’ weight.
I wonder if the ones you have might have used the original Bachmann cast weight?
Bob C.
TOC would know most of the flavors if this is not the answer.
Greg
Greg, I agree with the caveat that TOC’s presence on any of the fora the last couple years has been scarce. It is truly sad that he is so dis-liked because his style is somewhat blunt and rather than ignore the delivery folks take it personally. I have never found TOC’s advice to be anything but spot on. Too bad some in the manufacturing side of the hobby could not bring themselves to pay attention.
My post is based on a vague description by the OP and what I know of the history and the way Barry seemed to operate. And to the best of my knowledge Bachmann never released a drawing of the weight, so any drawing that may have been available would have to have been the result of someone either making an aftermarket product, or field measuring the Bachmann weight. If as I believe he is looking for a drawing/sketch of the Bachmann weight, I can sketch one of the ones I have.
Bob C.
My “bashed” Connie has Barry’s drive and there is NO weight. But Jonathan Bliese (formerly EMW in Chino) did the install. Jonathan said it didn’t’t need the weight. BTW, my Connie had the drive installed in 2011 and is still going strong eight years later. I don’t put a lot of hours on it, but I do run it 10X more than my Accucraft C19:). It’s just a great runner.
from Barry's instructions for the BBT 2-8-0 drive
LOCOMOTIVE WEIGHT
The BBT DRIVE 280 requires the addition of a weight of about three to five pounds to provide adequate traction for the new power. I had intended to provide these weights as an extra- cost item, but the availability and price of lead and the cost of shipping have ruled this out. Therefore, please consider the following drawings to cast your own weight. The mold is made up of 2 x 2 boards on a plywood or particle board base. The actual dimensions of a 2 x 2 are 1 5/8" thick by 1 5/8" wide. Filled with lead this size will yield a weight of four or four and a quarter pounds (2 kilos). You can produce more than one weight from this mold. Screw the boards down and un-screw them when the lead has cooled, pound out the 3/8" dowels for the posts. In multiple casts, use new posts for each application (although I have been able to reuse these post for a few weights). The wood should be fairly dry, and there will be a bit of smoke, but the end product is just fine (keep some water handy, sprinkle it on if a flame develops).
NOTE: Some owners of the BBT DRIVE 460 are running weights up to SIX pounds. No known complaints, yet. More weight seems to provide more traction. We don't know the limit. Just as in prototypical applications the pulling capability decreases rapidly as the percent of incline increases. Your old cast-iron weight can be attached to the top of this weight, if it doesn't interfere with the boiler top.
Mick, do you have the picture of the drawing?
Greg Elmassian said:
Mick, do you have the picture of the drawing?
No
I am not sure that Barry did a drawing, I down loaded the instructions from Barry’s old site but never found a drawing.
Mick
Well, besides the words “please consider the following drawings”, there’s no dimensions of the weight (just a lesson that a 2x2 is not 2x2), and no dimensions for the locations of the holes, a drawing must have existed at one time.
I consulted TOC:
The weight in the back is 2" long x 1-3/8 wide by 1-5/8 tall, and has a hole in it for the existing stud, and you have to counterbore it a bit because there is a bit of a reinforcing ring at the base of the stud.
The weight in the front is 3" long x 1-1/2" tall, and 1-3/8" wide, about 1-1/4 there is a 5/16" hole to fit over the stud, and there is a recess in the bottom that is 1" long and 1/4" deep to clear the valve gear.
This is for the vertical motor.
The older setup with the horizontal motor takes a different weight.
TOC would sell the weights to a deserving individual.
Red, email me (notice my email address in my signature) and I will hook you up.
Greg
Thank you.
When Barry shipped me my drives he sent me dimensioned drawings which looked very similar to what Greg has posted. Now to make sense of it by converting inches to millimeters
I’ll have the drawings in not too long… but if you want to purchase them, they are available.
Greg
Thank you Greg
I made 2 sets, a little larger but they work / fit perfectly. Decent heavy weight pullers for my maximum 4% gradient.