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Bachmann K-27 gear ratio...Question: Why does it need a new one?

Serious question, no intent to flame.

I see a lot of complaints about the K-27’s gear ratio being “wrong” and I honestly wonder what I’m missing. I now have two of them and they are my favorite engines to run. I typically pull 8-10 car mixed freights of Bachmann and AMS cars. When not hauling freight they pull a half dozen AMS coaches or mixed freight/Pass. The ‘K’ runs smooth as glass from a slow crawl to highball’n. It climbs shallow grades with barely a perceptible slowing. It slows slightly when pulling a long freight through a tight (8ft dia) curve but the freight itself is at least as long as the curve is.

I have seen every behavior the ‘K’ exhibits reflected in every other loco I own. LGB, Bachmann, Aristo, USA, Lionel, all of 'em. They all slow in curves, speed up on the straights, etc. I do note that when cruising at speed and the power is suddenly disconnected the ‘K’ will free-wheel for a bit, so does my 0-6-6-0. I actually prefer this to the slam-stop abuse my gears suffer with my diesel/LGB engines. So what is wrong with the 'K’s ratio?

Thanks in advance.

I think that your grades must be pretty low. I also have a K-27 and my 4.0% grades cause it to “runaway” However, I dont have a problem with this since I like to run my loco. The slow stop and go of mine is also very smooth. As far as the power of it. I have to admit I havent really messed with how much it will pull. But I know that is a common complaint.

I say if you dont see a problem, dont change it. Others have seen a problem and have changed it.

You’re right there Jake, not too much of a grade on my layout. The club layout has a 3% and now that I think about it my K does pick up a little speed there, but I think my F-units do too. I’ll have to pay more attention next time. It is a HEAVY beast, I could see where steep grades could be an issue, then again I think they were for the 1:1 RR’s as well! Can’t wait to double-head mine but the indoor layout is ripped up and the new outdoor is still under construction. :frowning:

Most of these issues have to do with the loco speeding up and slowing down on grades, and also the tendency of the loco to freewheel down a steep grade with a train behind it and the throttle off. These are certainly valid concerns and they do occur. Whether they’re cause for determining the gearbox to be “wrong” depends on what you think should be “right.,” and how you run your locomotive.

Like you, I never experienced any behavior with this loco that I hadn’t seen exhibited in many other locos in my collection. My dad’s got 4% and steeper grades on his railroad, so I’m used to seeing locos bog down and take off on steep grades. In my opinion, it adds to the realism of running the loco. (I’m not a “hands off” kind of operator. I have a wireless throttle for a reason–I want to drive the train!) I run my K in what appears to be a similar environment to yours–fairly short trains and shallow grades. I never noticed any objectionable behavior with the loco, in fact it was one of my better performers out of the box. When switching on my shelf railroad in the workshop, it would just c-r-a-w-l right along–so slow that the Kadees wouldn’t couple, they’d just push the other car away. When running at shows with 10 - 12-car trains and no grades, the loco performed flawlessly.

Having said that, I installed one of R&K Products’ reduction gearheads in my K for a product review, and did find it to have certain advantages. For starters, the loco still crawls along nicely, but does so at an even lower throttle setting. It’s still smooth-as-silk through the entire speed range. I have noticed an improvement in how the loco deals with twigs and other obstructions in flangeways, etc. With the lower gear ratio, the loco had a tendency to bog down or stop at those obstructions at lower speeds, where now it’s more prone to ride up and over them. These are noticeable improvements, but it comes with a price–gear noise. The stock gearbox is nearly silent. The gearhead has a noticeable whine to it. In most cases it’s drowned out by the sound system, and blends in from 15 or so feet away, but it is present. If it were my money, I’d look at how I run the loco. If there’s nothing objectionable about its performance relative to how you run it, stick with what you got. It’s a solid drive that performs very well. If you think it runs away a bit too much on grade for your tastes, then the replacement gearhead will mitigate that.

Later,

K

Where this all started was when the gear ratio was determined to be 14.5:1, which is like driving your car in high gear all of the time, slow on starts and easy cruising. The saving grace is the motor, an unusually strong motor for our trains, but has the oomph to get the train moving from stop. But the thought is how much better it would be if it had a more appropriate gear ratio.
With Edington’s addition it does and performance is more in line with our expectations.

Barry

Mark,

I agree with Kevin on all but one point (and I don’t have the R&G drive). I do find scale 65 MPH or so at full throttle objectionable. That being said, and for that reason only, I plan in the future to upgrade to Rodney’s drive.

Do keep in mind that this ‘discussion’ has been held on this and other fora may times over. To really get to the heart of the matter, do some searching in the archives of the fora.

As a friend says ‘Keep the trains running!’

Bob C.