Six pages of thread, about 10 posts on topic. Here’s the difference
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On the bottom picture, the duckbill roof is on the right.
I think the duckbill roof is a good one. I was kind of hoping for a completely different look such as a closed vestibule car. As far as price Bachmann is not going to go for $150 based on the things people are asking. I hope for a $300 MSRP which puts the actual street price a little lower.
I do have to say one thing, good for Bachmann. It seems they are one of the few if only large scale manufacture that is doing some new things. We cry for new products and it seems that Bachmann is listening.
thanks, Bob. i got one with such a roof. (sort of) my first “conversion” about 30 years ago:
Yea, the more I think about this, here’s what Id like:
40 foot cars, duckbill roof. Carter Brothers?
Baggage/combine/passenger
Optional interior
~150 street price.
To be REALLY unique, they could go with the early style, with the fancy sides, instead of just vertical boards
Something like that would be perfect. Carter Bros. and early Billmeyer & Smalls were very similar, so you’ve got twice as many prototypes covered.
Later,
K
I agree. 40 footers would be manageable on most railroads.
Bob McCown said:
Yea, the more I think about this, here's what Id like:40 foot cars, duckbill roof. Carter Brothers?
Baggage/combine/passenger
Optional interior
~150 street price.
To be REALLY unique, they could go with the early style, with the fancy sides, instead of just vertical boards
What kind of locomotive pulled that car, though? Would we have to back date our rosters? Or would we finally find a use for Aristo’s Rogers?
Curmudgeon said:Yes, but then they make a "kit" version and Nicholas Smith sells them for $25 at ECLSTS. That's how I got my last B'mann coach...
But, they can't do that. The AP Drama Queen that designs the stuff would insist on full interior, dcc sockets, opening doors and probably windows, smoking stoves, full interior, and even Blaine Doors (journal box lids). All for more money that anyone wants to spend.
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brought over his 1:20 EBT stuff. His stuff and my stuff are largely identical since we model the same railroad, so I’m definitely used to the size of his models. But in this environment, they looked out of place to me. I doubt Pete noticed it,
I noticed when my train got stuck in the tunnel. 
I didn’t see them as out-of-place, as I am used to 1:20.3 equipment dwarfing the scenery. Especially the coaches.
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40 foot cars, duckbill roof. Carter Brothers?
The Carter Bros duckbill coach, sold as a kit by Doug Bronson, is only 36’, (24" in Fn3) and the Billmeyer & Small version that was used to make the car that became EBT #20 was 35’.
(http://bronson-tate.com/images/carter/combine/btam-2.jpg)
And why not the board-and-batten version? (This is the BB&K 35’ coach converted to a business car and sold to EBT.)
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P.S. Someone is posting all this over on Bachmann’s thread, I trust?
I agree with Bob, Pete, & Kevin’s top pick here, 'tho I’m not in the 1:20 market myself. On a slightly different tack now, Very popular among the smaller scale G gauge crowd was the D&RG drovers caboose - the red combine with a cupola and handrails on the roof. This was produced in several less prototypical but also popular colorways and roadnames as well. I run it up the flagpole - would you 1:20 guys want to see B’mann produce this puppy in your size? Anyone saluting?
Pete Thornton said:
…And why not the board-and-batten version? (This is the BB&K 35’ coach converted to a business car and sold to EBT.) [url](http://freightsheds.largescalecentral.com/users/petert/_forumfiles/IMG_2017-finished-obs-end.jpg)
[/url] P.S. Someone is posting all this over on Bachmann’s thread, I trust?
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[/url] PLEASE BACHMANN, DO THIS!!! Back to the topic at hand…I would pay a “street” of 3 bills for this! And while that may seem like a lot, it isn’t. Do the math, fine scale passenger trucks are $75.00 on a good day, more likely much higher. Styrene/window/trim/hardware would set you back close to or over $100.00. Paint, decals/transfers, glue, lighting, misc.? Time worth anything? $300.00 seems fair.
I can’t imagine that any number of suggestions would change what they’ll make, or won’t. Historically, if you ask for what certain key individuals already have in mind, you get what you ask for, and they tell you so. If you don’t, it’s a surprise … and you like it, or not. I suspect unless somoene can demonstrate they’ll sell more of (whatever new item they’re thinking about) than they do (favorite flavor of Big Hauler piece) it won’t happen, as nobody in a position to put something forward apart from the above mentioned key individuals is willing to bet their job on it (and who can blame them?)
I’d love to see a reasonably priced short passenger car (provided it was “new” enough to have modern trucks) but I’m not holding my breath.
Matthew (OV)
Oh … one other thing. If $300.00 shorter passenger equipment appeals to you, ask Bruce Chandler about the ET&WNC combine …
Matthew (OV)
Oops I meant 1:20 on the DRG Caboose, just edited it. Would that be a popular # in 1:20?
Victor Smith said:
Quite honestly the best looking cars I have seen are the LGB closed vestibule cars on my display train, however Accu did these recently but in brass and mucho $$. If Bmann did these in plastic for about $200-250 they might do fairly well.(http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/vsmith/LGB%20passenger%20consist.JPG)
sorry not a great pic, these cars would look terrific behind the new C-19
Soooooo Vic, when and where do you run these puppies?? 
John Le Forestier said:Extremely popular...Amazed it has not been done by AMS as I believe it would be a walk-away winner.
Oops I meant 1:20 on the DRG Caboose, just edited it. Would that be a popular # in 1:20?
Of course there is an AMS coach on my workbench next to a razor saw waiting for a decision…Single door baggage or Drovers caboose. The release of either by Bachmann or AMS would have an impact on what gets cut.
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Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
Victor Smith said:
Quite honestly the best looking cars I have seen are the LGB closed vestibule cars on my display train, however Accu did these recently but in brass and mucho $$. If Bmann did these in plastic for about $200-250 they might do fairly well.(http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/vsmith/LGB%20passenger%20consist.JPG)
sorry not a great pic, these cars would look terrific behind the new C-19
Soooooo Vic, when and where do you run these puppies??
Like them? I do. I picked them up used a few years ago when I still had hopes I could build something outdoors big enough to run them. Had to replace the trucks on two of them do to extreme coupler sag. Right now they are shelf queens, I could run them at the Fairplex if I had the time to dedicate as a member, Del Oro was another option but again the time dedication is just something I cannot commit too currently. I had planned to run them at the SWGRS on the Fairplex layout last year if my pizza layout didn’t get into the show, but with the layout IN the show twice in a row now, I will be busy this year full time overseeing that, so shelf queens they remain. I just won’t give up on the hope that somehow I can make a bigger layout out there somehow, so these will remain safely perched above all the fray until something comes up. And I still think they would look really good behind that new C-19 
Quote:Actually, Geoof (Ringle) and I both use ordinary/old Bachmann passenger car trucks on our coaches. That #20 in the photo I posted has them. Any time I see a Bachmann coach for sale cheap I buy it for the trucks - $25 last time.
fine scale passenger trucks are $75.00 on a good day
Unfortunately, they ain’t much like a Carter Bros swing-bolster. But I think Bachmann could easily make some new plastic trucks - or use their old ones to keep the price down. The fancy Accu trucks are overkill, and don’t work very well.
Be careful what you ask for. There was a really loud (mouthed) person on another forum who complained he would never buy a K if he had to take it off the track and turn it over.
So, what did we get?
Three screws in from the top, two of which are in a position that makes it impossible to seal down the coal pile to prevent water ingress, and, if you do tend to run yours out-of-doors, you ever try to get them cheapest-parts-they-can-buy Chinese screws out?
Never tried?
Good luck.
Water gets down the hole and rusts out the Phillips slots, and you get to drill them out.
Solution?
Cut the risers off the floor, drill the floor in the middle of the cut off area, centre drill the towers, glue and screw the towers into the shell, and screw it in from underneath.
Except then the rear one is above the rear truck.
Who was the Technical Advisor on this again?
But, why not while you’re at it, just clean it up some more, remove the Ames Super Socket With Integrated Production Electronics, and remove about half the 12 gauge wires from the plugs?
You never know what they are going to listen to.
Or ignore.
well, if Bachmann really wants to know, what people think - here my two cents:
a coach for 150$s at this time in recession? sounds like “let them eat cake” when they got no bread.
newqida proved it. even without an organized chain of outlets they sold as good as every car or coach they exported.
cheap, simple stuff. but at an acceptable minimum quality. compatible with more advanced and expensive things like metal wheels.
and CHEAP!!
we (as a group) in the forums are not, and never will be content with anything.
but most of us are able to “super” existing stuff. (the boxcar and caboose, that come with the big hauler prove it. run by thousands, kitbashed by hundreds.
if my last name were Polk, i would think very hard, if i would want to sell some dozens of high end coaches, or if i would want to sell a thousand coaches for less than a hundred each.