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Bachmann Heisler info?

Sorry if these questions seem stupid but I was away from this hobby the past 5+ years.

Anyway, way back when I purchased a Heisler locomotive and never used it.

I believe all I ever did was just make sure it worked and then put it back in the box!

Well I unboxed it today at lunch time and found all of the case candy was all still sealed!

I never opened the DVD, the (3) figures, or the package that contains the tool box and misc.

The instruction booklet is still sealed also!

Like the Bachmann 2-8-0 that I plan on using on my new layout I will also be using this piece.

Already figured out what to do with the couplers, but just curious if there is anything I should look for that may be a common issue on these? (maybe there were no issues?)

Also, how difficult is it for a sound installation on these?

Thanks!

And yes I tried using the search function but after reading a dozen or so posts (of the 12+ pages that come up) most of everything I was reading was all on how people were modifing the engine or using the trucks to build other models.

Uhg, you know how to make a guy jeleous!!! Really should have bought one when I had the chance!

“Settled” for a Forney.

:frowning:

Vincent D’Agostino said:

Sorry if these questions seem stupid but I was away from this hobby the past 5+ years.

Anyway, way back when I purchased a Heisler locomotive and never used it.

I believe all I ever did was just make sure it worked and then put it back in the box!

Well I unboxed it today at lunch time and found all of the case candy was all still sealed!

I never opened the DVD, the (3) figures, or the package that contains the tool box and misc.

The instruction booklet is still sealed also!

Like the Bachmann 2-8-0 that I plan on using on my new layout I will also be using this piece.

Already figured out what to do with the couplers, but just curious if there is anything I should look for that may be a common issue on these? (maybe there were no issues?)

Also, how difficult is it for a sound installation on these?

Thanks!

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/139vinny/Trains/DSC07295_zpsae04c4e1.jpg)

We have one in our roster. Sound installation was rather easy as the hookups are all in the coal bin.

Every once in awhile the electrical pickup or motor connection between the truck and the frame gets dirty to the point of needing cleaning. Dropping the truck in this case is rather easy. Bachmann locomotives produced after this one improved that area for better long term use.

To get the high coupler I mounted them on top rather then on the bottom of the arm. Its not the best solution but it works.

For the 2-8-0 get the new axle and gear from Bachmenn and replace the old one.

Sounds like you are going to have some fun.

Stan

Mark V said:

Uhg, you know how to make a guy jeleous!!! Really should have bought one when I had the chance!

“Settled” for a Forney.

:frowning:

I was a big fan of the Shay & Climax when Bachmann released those originally, so when the Heisler came out I wanted to complete the geared locomotive set so I added it to my collection.

I honestly don’t ever remember running it other then to check to make sure it worked, then it went back in the box. Then…well stuff happened in life and I stepped away from the hobby for a while.

But now I am back and feel like an even bigger kid and having fun!

Was just looking at the Forney last night on line, are these also no longer available?

They looked nice, I was thinking one would make a nice gift to me at some point! :slight_smile:

Stan Ames said:

We have one in our roster. Sound installation was rather easy as the hookups are all in the coal bin.

Every once in awhile the electrical pickup or motor connection between the truck and the frame gets dirty to the point of needing cleaning. Dropping the truck in this case is rather easy. Bachmann locomotives produced after this one improved that area for better long term use.

To get the high coupler I mounted them on top rather then on the bottom of the arm. Its not the best solution but it works.

For the 2-8-0 get the new axle and gear from Bachmenn and replace the old one.

Sounds like you are going to have some fun.

Stan

Thanks for the info!

I actually just flipped over the stock coupler on the Heisler and drilled out the arm that it mounts on and installed a nut/bolt left over from a Kadee coupler set.

Worked out perfect!

The 2-8-0 was also never used, so hopefully I have some life in the axle & gear!

If you use chuff averaging with Phoenix, the chuffs will work…sort of.

They are in the top of the cylinders. The crank is 90 degrees. You get chuff-chuff-blank-blank-chuff-chuff.

You will also find, if close to eye level, the slack in the drivetrain causes the crank to visibly “drop” when the contacts push it down hard after top dead centre.

I have always removed the contacts and wiring, used auto chuff (about the only engine I do so with).

If you go through the maintenance instructions carefully, you will find there is a lube port shown in the bulkhead where the driveline connects. It is not present in production units.

The Great Howard himself told me early on that the most critical lubrication point of the Mabuchi motors is the plastic brush end bearing, which is fully encased in that bulkhead.

Was he right? I don’t claim to know, other than that is what he told me.

EVERY Heisler I have ever worked on has come fully apart and that lube port has been drilled.

Does it make any difference? Who knows, other than every one I have to deal with has never had a problem because it has the lube port as described in the instructions.

The contacts in the chassis are similar to the later Shays and 45 tonner, at least, and yes, you can have some occasional contact issues, or a pine needle get into it. The contact is six mil PC board, so wear may be a factor on multiple R-1 curves. I hard wire them, two wires, as I use no track power whatsoever.

You need to remove the rear truck to remove the ashpan for speaker installation. Fairly straightforward, but does use a small speaker. Never been a problem.

I used to use only Sierra sound, which had lighting outputs for driving the flicker board, so I removed the board fully in the tender for radio and battery installation.

I have two Shays, one Climax, and one Heisler on shed, plus a Vulcan Duplex which started as a junk Heisler with old Porter drives under it. So, 5 logging locos. Too many.

With the crank “drop”, using magnets on a driveshaft doesn’t work well, as it gives a syncopated beat, but your mileage may vary.

Top cylinder cocks…right up under the running board. They stick out just far enough that they will break off if you lay the engine on it’s side. The pipe connecting it will hold it in place long enough for you to retrieve it.

Using a pin vise, drill out the remains, and glue it back in the hole with the “nub” inside the hole. This drops it back far enough it will not hit the table when you roll it over.

It works good…usualluy have two or three running during ops sessions.

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Vincent D’Agostino said:

The 2-8-0 was also never used, so hopefully I have some life in the axle & gear!

Maybe. Personal observation from being into probably a hundred of them…brand new, drop shipped to me when I did this stuff, I would open for motor screws, and inspecting the gear showed every one of them had a crack in the hub of the gear. Every one.

It just takes time for that crack to propagate.

Sitting in a box does nothing to prolong life…as the plastic cures out, it shrinks, and cracks.

Do you have first or second production run 2-8-0? Do you know about motor screws? You’ve never lived until you put a new one on the track, it makes noise, but won’t move…and you open it up, and there is no motor. You find it stuck up in the nose.

Identity of early and late can often be established in the tender, of all places. Once you’ve done a coupe or three, you’ll know by feel, but until then, a small Phillips will help.

Turn the tender over. If the sockets push in and out of the cover, it’s early. To identify, remove cover, lift up circuit board and socket. Later ones have two raised bars cast into the floor to hole the board up tight against the underside of the cover.

We could never get a straight answer out of Kader, but about the time they made this change, they red Lock-Tited the motor screws. Therefore, you don’t have to open the loco (and remove the circuit board on the back of the motor). I can get more specific on that circuit board, but suffice it to say this was about the first design, and PW output supplies did not play nice with it. We finally got Bachmann to say removing the board would not void warranty.

I can give you specific on what to do if you like.

This from 2002 on the motor screws, if you have an early one (and if you do, fix it now, as if the motor comes loose, the worm becomes enough unmeshed from the plastic worm gear it strips it out):

Posted on January 09, 2002 at 12:15:10:

While doing some conversion work on one of the new Bachmann 1:20 scale
2-8-0’s, I found the motor to be loose on the gearbox.
This is a new design gearbox mount from Bachmann, and bugs may have
inadvertently crept in to the assembly process.
The following is the procedure I used to adjust this and subsequent units.
First is the boiler removal, which is about the easiest Bachmann Large-Scale

to disassemble to date.

Disassembly procedure:

  1. Roll engine over on fireman’s side, locate forward end of reverse actuating rod under running board where it attaches to the valve gear.
    Remove slot-head screw. NOT MAGNETIC! Don’t lose it!
  2. Roll engine onto its wheels. Remove all 4 screws and both smokebox supports (if you try to flex them out of the way, it will scratch the paint).
  3. Roll engine over on it’s back.
  4. Remove ashpan (4 small screws).
  5. Remove 4 screws about in the corners of inside of firebox under ashpan.
  6. Remove one screw between cylinders under front truck.
  7. Separate boiler from chassis. Pull motor wires down from boiler to reveal in-line plug. You may unplug for complete separation of boiler from chassis.

Check motor for tightness to gearbox as outlined below:

Pull the lower gear cover, 4 screws, and front support bracket on top of frame to gearbox, 2 screws, lift the motor/gearbox off, removed 4 screws on one side and 2 on the other of the gearbox, separate the gearbox halves. The motor screws are located inside the gearbox. I removed the screws, locktited (222) and lubed before re-assembly.

When re-assembling, make sure the sander pipes from the sandbox on top of boiler fit into holes provided in frame just forward of valve gear support bracket. They may spring backwards and rub on lead driver.

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Just so there is no confusion, and someone doesn’t e-mail Bob to lock this thread, that “procedure” was not only approved by Bachmann (and I have the approval to this day), but it was originally posted on the old Bachmann forum (the original saved on my computer).

I have most of the “procedures” we generated over the years.

As the questions comes up, maybe I’ll re-post them.

TOC

funy thing…we couldn’t use the word “fixes”, had to be “procedure”. Maybe “fixes” didn’t translate well.

Wow, thanks for all the info!

I will certainly copy these posts and put them in a file so I can go back and take a look at them when the time comes to do some work on them.

Vincent D’Agostino said:

The 2-8-0 was also never used, so hopefully I have some life in the axle & gear!

Of our six 2-8-0s, the axle gear on one of the first generation ones is still in the locomotive all the news one had to have axle gears soon after first use. I have a new one only test run which I will sell next year. The gear alrealy shows signs of being cracked. Will need to replace the axle before it is sold.

Bachmann currently has a replacement axle with a metal gear. Its a great part but like all parts it may not be in stock forever. Getting it now avoids problems later. I highly recommend you get it while they still have it.

On the Heisler, you may be better served using magnets on the drive shaft to trigger the chuff. If I remember correctly, the shaft that runs between the “lobes” in the ashpan is square, and I glued four magnets to each side of the shaft. The advantage there, too, is that you can get some foam and gently “pinch” the shaft between the lobes. This puts some drag on the shaft which keeps it turning more-or-less evenly for smooth, even chuffs, eliminating the “drop” effect that Dave describes.

Alas, I sold the loco a few years ago to finance my EBT mike, so I no longer have it to confirm. But it’s a great loco! Installing sound and R/C pretty straightforward. (Again, too long ago for me to remember specifics.)

Later,

K

Vincent,

Does your loco have an additional oil load provided by Bachmann? If so, I would be interested in it. Thanks for your time.

Mario McCarthy said:

Vincent,

Does your loco have an additional oil load provided by Bachmann? If so, I would be interested in it. Thanks for your time.

Just the coal load that it came with.

Mario-

When I got my Heisler, the word from the Cartoon was that oil bunkers would become available for separate sale shortly. I do not remember when they came out, but we do know what “shortly” means now.

I finally found one for my Heisler (since I am all oil fired) several years later.

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Oil fired? I thought you were cigar powered?

Only during conventions. When a busload of geese showed up, my brother Tom would take his (lit) stogie, stick the wet end in the top of the stack, and off he’d go. Smoked better by far than the Bachmann smoke units.

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Oh? Is that your brother’s cigar? :wink:

(http://freightsheds.largescalecentral.com/users/thejoat/Misc/IMG_3703.JPG)

And let’s not discuss that boxcar in the background. :slight_smile:

Also thanks for all the info. Just acquired a Bachmann Heisler 2 months back.