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Bachmann Coaching stock progress

Modeling
#1

Further progress on these coaches. Firstly an enclosed vestibule car. Not for the feint hearted as it does use a few coach bodies to complete.

Next is the smoking/observation car with enclosed vestibule at one end only. A small smoking/observation compartment at the trailing end of the car. A lip has been added to the open vestibule/observation end to achieve more coverage of the open platform.

Lastly is a work in progress of S.R. & R.L. R.R. #21 coach. To overcome the gauge discrepancy, I will name my line the Swampy River and Rambling Lakes Railroad, running 3 foot gauge. This way any S.R. & R.L rolling stock/locomotives will fit my line. Coach #21 is the car normally seen in later years trailing the locomotive at Edaville. In later years the toilet compartment/s have been removed. This car presented a problem as regards interior arrangement. Due the coupled pair window arrangement then back to back seating was the only alternative I could arrive at. A black and white photograph at Edaville shows the right hand toilet compartment removed, but an enclosed compartment on the left side. A photograph of a On2 brass model shows that a toilet compartment existed on the right side. I am concluding that at one time the car had two toilet compartments due the window arrangement/spacing. A feature of these cars (and other SR & RL clerestory cars) in early years, was the rooftop mounted toilet flush water tanks. I am left to summise a few detail points and may well be proven wrong, so, apart from a name change due gauge, then historical inaccuracy is another reason to get away from the prototype. Windows need to be reduced in height as crownlights were not used. The roof has been mounted to allow more overhang on the end platforms.

#2

Nice work!

#3

Thanks Ric. Hopefully will inspire others to view the venerable old Big Hauler coach with a bit of imagination. It is such a versatile starting block for numerous bashes.

#4

Tim the cars look good. Care to elaborate on body cuts, new overall length, number of cars used.

#5

David,
overall car lengths are as follows, measured from end sill to end sill -

Enclosed vestibule - 555 mm, open vestibule - 543 mm and #21 - 555 mm.

General procedure is as follows. The endwalls are cut from the coach body and end doors are cut from these. This gives two of the four vestibule doors needed. The end sections of a baggage car are then cut from the body and attached to the 12 window section cut from the original coach body (this is optional). I chose this method as drawings of enclosed vestibule cars showed end sections on the coach sides that did not have a waistlevel beltrail (window sill).

A donor car is then needed (coach, combine or baggage) to provide the other two vestibule doors needed. Endwalls were then cut from a Bachmann centre cupola caboose and attached. If the caboose body was not available, then endwalls from a coach, combine or baggage could be used as a substitute. If desired, the end doors in the vestibule doorway could be removed, leaving the interconnecting endwalls between adjacent coaches open, as is prototypical. I chose the easy option and left the doors in position.

Underframe, interior and roof are then built to accomodate the longer body. I have built numerous extended Bachmann bodies and feel that the compressed standard length body (Bachmann reduced the width of each window to accomodate the infamous four foot rule) is very comical looking. Add a few inches and the cars take on a new life. Two further cars are planned. Firstly, is an enclosed vestibule coach with an extended ‘B’ end and secondly a business/parlour car.

Of cause, there will be some wastage, but I see the leftover body pieces as inspiration for other projects. The ‘spares’ box always needs replenishing.

#6

Thanks Tim At 555mm the cars should look great for their era and the extra parts will get their own use so not much waste. Great builds. Thanks for the answers

#7

Can somebody give a quick conversion from 555mm to inches?

#8

555 millimeters = 21.8503937 inches

#9

So an 18 inch long coach was stretched to almost 22 inches? And what prototypical length is trying to be achieved? How about height and width?

#10

I think he’s going for a more “Looks good” than prototypical car. I admit they DO look good, and I have a bunch of Bachmann pass cars I may sacrifice myself.

#11

Bob,

I agree and have the same. I remember a number of years back, somebody stretched them in all directions.

#12
Ric Golding said:
Can somebody give a quick conversion from 555mm to inches?
For future use, 25.4mm = 1 inch. or if dimension is given in centimeters, 2.54cm = 1 inch
#13
Bob McCown said:
I think he's going for a more "Looks good" ...
Tim's certainly hit the mark there!
#14
Forrest Scott Wood said:
Ric Golding said:
Can somebody give a quick conversion from 555mm to inches?
For future use, 25.4mm = 1 inch. or if dimension is given in centimeters, 2.54cm = 1 inch
You can let Google take care of it, too. Type in:

what is 15 mm in furlongs

into google, and you get an answer

15 millimeters = 7.45645431 × 10-5 furlongs

#15

Furlong is a horse racing term, right? What’s a cubit? The old Bill Cosby Noah stick. Right!!!

#16

So a measure of speed might be furlongs per fortnight

#17

Hmmm Google knows what a cubit is. Too bad Noah didn’t have a computer…

1 foot = 0.666666667 cubits

Now, I always thought that a cubit was the distance from a mans elbow to his fingertips. Explains why when two ancient men built something they rarely got it square or level. Except those Egyptians, but they were helped by aliens with lasers.

#18

Commenced on the weekend to use up parts left over from the previous cars. ‘Loosely’ based on the D&RGW B-1. This car ran as a three car set in the ‘millionaires train’, with B-2 and B-3 cars attached. B-2 still runs at the D&S R.R. as ‘Cinqo Animas’. I am assuming that B-1 was the kitchen car, B-2 the dining/sleeping(?) car and B-3 the sitting car. Crew quarters at the obserevation end of B-1. The rest of the interior will be imagined. B-1 always ran with the observation end facing the locomotive. B-2 is another possibility, but B-3 is a nightmare with numerous single windows to be inserted in the basic body. The side doors were to load supplies. The roof moulding, at the observation end, was extensively modified to provide full coverage of the open end platform. Approximately 40 strips of 0.030" styrene were attached to the end of the roof moulding, then shaped to duplicate the rounded end profile. A lot of effort but worth it. This is not intended to be a scale model, but just to imply the prototype.

(http://www.lscdata.com/users/tim_brien/_forumfiles/lscb1a.JPG)

(http://www.lscdata.com/users/tim_brien/_forumfiles/lscb1b.JPG)

(http://www.lscdata.com/users/tim_brien/_forumfiles/lscb1d.JPG)

#19

Is doing excellent job of “implying the prototype”.
And giving ideas to use in other models.

#20

Forrest,
my reason for my posts is to hopefully give others kitbashing ideas and maybe enthuse them to commence modelmaking. There seems to be a general decline in kitbashing, due the numerous ready to run items available. There are more coaches planned for the future, with B-2 and two more, more prototypical, enclosed end vestibule coaches.