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AVRR #17, a Connie on a diet

I decided a while back that by the early '20s the Allegheny Valley would have needed another class of locomotive to replace their aging 1880s 2-8-0s in heavy freight service. I had planned going a different direction, but got a B’mann Connie ‘cheap’ (relative term, the axle gear is missing 5 teeth so it’s also a fixer-upper). One slight problem. The AV is 42" gauge (1:24) and the Connie is this big pig of a thing in 3 foot gauge (1:20)… I also have 4 rather close clearance bridges and 2 tunnels. Soooooooooo… I already had a Bug Mauler tender (less trucks) and Andre sent me a 1st gen cab. And I bookmarked Kevin’s old article on the one he downsized for his dad. Of course, the Skunkworks can’t just steal someone else’s idea, so a slightly different reconfigure was in order. First order of business… order a new gear off NWSL. But while we are waiting for that, it’s mangle time! I pretty much stripped the thing (a good thing too, ALL the drivetrain and gearbox screws were about 1/4 to 1/2 turn loose!) Wanna see Connie get naked? (Someone might want to cover Rooster’s eyes so he doesn’t get excited)

Now, for a possible prototype… I figured the AV might have done it the same way the Grande did with their big K-37s. Namely a standard gauge boiler on a narrow gauge chassis. So, I went trolling for pix. Unfortunately, most SG engines of a similar size to what the boiler scaled out were either 1. piston valve engines. 2. Wagon tops. or 3. had a 2nd sand dome. Eventually I found this one of an old Pennsy Mogul.

A bit smaller than what I wanted, but we’re cookin! Moving the dome forward (shortening everything) and giving the boiler a coat of Pullman green yielded this early this evening.

Next on the agenda was shortening the pilot to get rid of some of that extra overhang.— By about 3/8" on the truck and 1/2" on the frame. It’s closer to the length on the rear now for a bit more balanced feel… and to keep it from knocking into things on curves. (One of my main gripes about the 10 wheelers, too.) I reworked the front truck a bit while I was at it. It might negotiate a R-1 now, but I’m not holding my breath that the center drivers wouldn’t drop outside the inner rail if I tried it. But there’s plenty of swing for my outdoor R-2s now.

That’s as far as I got so far. Kim is going to go visit her mom tomorrow so I get the whole day to myself to get into trouble… I’ll start on the tender then.

She’s a gittin places. Like the green.

Mik looking good. I also like that green. Your like me a hudred projects at one time.

Lookin good. I agree on the green nice color.

Today I started on the tender. First order of business was to address the Connie truck breakage problem. (I found one of mine had already been half-a##ed repaired) IMO it’s just a crummy execution for a flex idea, sooo. I cut 1/8" of that crap out of each side to narrow the truck frames, put in bigger screws AND glued them rigid. My trackwork isn’t THAT bad, anyway. The one on the left is original, the right manglified.

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/tigerlillie06/His%20Stuff/connie/PC100053.jpg)

I decided to make an extended coal bunker, rather than hungry boards. All I had the right width was paint stirrers. After they are sealed and painted they should look fine.

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/tigerlillie06/His%20Stuff/connie/PC100054_01.jpg)

Lots left to do, but this mock up should give you an idea where we are headed. I may have to shorten the stack a bit more. I haven’t decided.

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/tigerlillie06/His%20Stuff/connie/PC100055.jpg)

Anybody know how wide an LGB mogul pilot plow is?

Cool project, looks good so far.

Mik,

You asked “Anybody know how wide an LGB mogul pilot plow is?”

At the top of the plow, outside edge of the “wings” its 4.167 inches.

Lookin good. I might have to shorten the pilot on mine a bit, I like the way it looks, much stouter.

Here’s what it looked like this morning. I don’t want to get too crazy with stuff to bend when I turn her over to fix that gear. One thing about Botchmann that never ceases to amaze me is they go through all this trouble to make nice looking models, then totally screw it up with second rate materials in the drive.

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/tigerlillie06/His%20Stuff/connie/PC110052.jpg)

Changing of the Guard - 1885 2-8-0 #5 pulls her sister’s newly arrived replacement dead in tow to the shops to be prepped for service on a winter’s day in 1925

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/tigerlillie06/His%20Stuff/connie/PC110055.jpg)

The difference in size is more noticeable in this one. The Aristo has the same sized B’mann cab and tender, but the Connie is much beefier. #5 will soon be leaving for her new assignment in El Cajon California.

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/tigerlillie06/His%20Stuff/connie/PC110054.jpg)

Mik,

I’ve run my Connie on R1 curves without any issues–the limiting factor is not, in fact, the center drivers: it’s the tender drawbar.

I’d appreciate it if you can get some pics of the axle when you do the gear change–after Barry put his new drive in mine this spring, I’ve had my old Connie gearbox sitting around. At the same time, I have a 4-6-0 with a shredded/cracked gear…I think you know where I’m going with this.

I’m thoroughly ashamed. Here we were talking intimately about a lady, only to find out it’s really her twin sister.

In other words, the road number will henceforth be #15 because I messed up the other decals… A minor point, unless you believe locomotives have individual personalities.

And I got a connie with a cracked gear, hoping the skunkworks will share thier secrets on putting this loco back in service.

First step is to contact NWSL… http://shop.osorail.com/searchquick-submit.sc?keywords=2226-6

Or Barry if you want to fix it even better.

I’ll post pix of how not to do it after mine arrives… including flying springs and misplaced screws

Robbie,

I think I may have a drive for your 4-6-0, of any type.

Barry - BBT

Barry, (Sorry Mik, not trying to hijack your thread here ;))

Sorry, but it’s more a case of “have a spare 4-6-0 that I don’t want/need that doesn’t run” than “I want to actually put money in this”…if it means machining a new axle so be it, as long as I can use this gearbox. Plus it’s one of those ego things…“Looky, I can make it work!” My request to Mik was to see how the axle goes together…my first try at a plastic axle center pinned to the 4-6-0 half-wheels (4th gen) ended in disaster (plastic ripped).

If I ever have one that actually has any value whatsoever I know who to send it to!

BTW Mik, what would be your glue of choice for those tender truck frames? I’ve tried tried liquid plastic cement and CA, no luck.

Randy, at the moment I’m using Duco Cement… Kim bought it because it was on sale. It’s runny, it stinks, but it seems to be working (except it eats B’mann’s red paint)… but, IMO the real secret to fixing the trucks was longer screws! Just for comparison a c-16 and the Connie have about the same rigid wheelbase (drivers). Even with both having Big Hauler cabs the difference in mass is impressive, though.

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/tigerlillie06/His%20Stuff/connie/PC110053.jpg)

I said it was going to be the grubbiest freight hog anybody ever saw… and I haven’t even done any overspray weathering yet - that’s just washes! I also modified the ‘cowcatcher’ by grafting half a broken off Aristo 0-4-0 pilot step on each side. I also reinforced it on the back side with brass strip since it was broken.

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/tigerlillie06/His%20Stuff/connie/PC120053.jpg)

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/tigerlillie06/His%20Stuff/connie/PC120052.jpg)

Cosmetically, it’s pretty much where I want it, now. It still needs couplers and the gear replaced, yet… Yes, those are R-1 curves. It looks kind of silly, but I think it might actually go around them in a pinch.

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/tigerlillie06/His%20Stuff/connie/PC130056.jpg)

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt7/tigerlillie06/His%20Stuff/connie/PC130053.jpg)

Looking perty :slight_smile:

Yes!, that looks like a mighty fine addition to the AV.