Ralph Berg said:Nope, on both counts. Soil was damp from previous rain and it didn't rain till four days after application. I'm wondering if the concentrate is somehow different from the premix stuff.walter sarapa said:If the weather has been dry, it could take longer. If it rained too soon, it could have washed off. Ralph
After 3 days the weeds and grass are just as green and robust as the day I sprayed them
I use it also, takes a couple of weeks for results to show up.
Walt
If the weather is cold, it takes a while for the stuff to take effect. I have notice results in just a couple days when the weather is really warm, but when its cold the plants metabolism is very slow so it takes alot longer for the stuff to be effective, but when it takes it really kills them dead.
Walt also you need to keep in mind what kind of weeds or plants you are trying to kill. A weed like a dandilion will get killed faster then say Ive. I use roundup Concentrate all the time and I will see weeds starting to die with in a week but that is summer time and hotter weather.
Hope this helps.
Geoff
Thanks guys - you’re right, I usually use Roundup in warmer weather. Just need to learn a little patience.
If the round up doesnt work try Napalm 
walter sarapa said:If you buy it in concentrate at your local feed store/grain elevator, instead of the big box stores, you can make a stronger mix that works.
Thanks guys - you're right, I usually use Roundup in warmer weather. Just need to learn a little patience.
Geoff George said:Geoff your not too far off, in really wet climates a great way to kill weeds is to use a burner, one of those handheld propane torches used on construction sites for roofing jobs. just use a broad flame, hold the flame over the weeds for a few seconds, just make sure you have someone following you with the hose to wet down the area again just to be sure you dont set anything alight.
If the round up doesnt work try Napalm :)
Kevin Strong said:
(Stupid rain shower... Hard enough to make me not want to be out in it, but not enough to actually benefit the garden.)Quote:
... Stated differently, he didn't hire anyone while he was still poor.larry mosher said:I can't say for certain, but why not? If you've got an upstart business that really needs two people to become successful, you find someone willing to help or you fail. It doesn't matter that you don't have two nickels to rub together--the business needs two people to have a shot at becoming successful. So the poor man [i]does[/i] hire someone because it's an operational necessity. And the poor man may very likely pay the help before he pays himself, remaining poor while the business builds.
Not really. I own my own business too and everyone makes more money than me. It's a business that needs employees to exist..period. So when I get a good one they start at $15 and go to $20 after 2 years. The business made no profit last year and still paid a minimum tax. All the money went to pay for equipment issues, wages, taxes etc. and my just mailed w2 showed gross at a bit over $14000. Why do it...in the hope that it'll generate income later. So I did hire people while I was poor..unless you consider $14k in wages rich.(Thanks, Larry, for giving a personal face to my hypothetical.)
Later,
K
Nice try, guys, but no cigar… The guy hiring someone has to be wealthy enough to pay the wage, that is the point. If a bad business decision is made, that does not prove the negative.
Steve; thank you for hthat explaination, I never knew as I was not allowed to enter such places, might give a bad name to zero’s !!
Paul
I think its important to remember that life is just one big party… 
whether your a…
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or a… 
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or even a… 
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Its just one big party :lol:
Quote:I'm unsure the distinction you're drawing. It's the job (customer) that provides the money, not the employer. The employer needn't have a penny to his name to hire someone, just a product/service/idea that provides enough income to pay the person he's hiring.
... The guy hiring someone has to be wealthy enough to pay the wage...
Later,
K
Kevin, It’s just another ‘justification’ to legitimize the war on poor people. Poor folks are worthless. Poor folks are a drain on THEIR country. Poor folks are sub-human. Eugenics anyone? Re-education camps maybe? What IS the next step? I’m finding more and more that trying to have a rational discussion with an ideologue is like trying to deal with a rabid pit bull by saying, “Nice Doggie”. They don’t want to discuss it. They just want you to agree with them or you’re a ‘socialist’ to be derided, insulted and/or shouted down. They are ‘right’, therefore you are wrong. Sad really. Sort of like the Taliban without the AK-47s (yet) But Bob said “back to trains” a while ago soooo…
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Sometimes it feels exactly this way, anymore
Mik said:
Kevin, It's just another 'justification' to legitimize the war on poor people. Poor folks are worthless. Poor folks are a drain on THEIR country. Poor folks are sub-human. Eugenics anyone? Re-education camps maybe? What IS the next step?I’m finding more and more that trying to have a rational discussion with an ideologue is like trying to deal with a rabid pit bull by saying, “Nice Doggie”. They don’t want to discuss it. They just want you to agree with them or you’re a ‘socialist’ to be derided, insulted and/or shouted down. They are ‘right’, therefore you are wrong.
Sad really.
Sort of like the Taliban without the AK-47s (yet)
Mik,
When did you decide to be so unhappy?
When will you decide that being happy is much more fun?
Are you trying to compare me to a rabid pit bull? Thanks.
FYI, I am one of the poor. The difference between you and I is that I refuse to allow that to define me.
Kevin Strong said:Quote:I'm unsure the distinction you're drawing. It's the job (customer) that provides the money, not the employer. The employer needn't have a penny to his name to hire someone, just a product/service/idea that provides enough income to pay the person he's hiring.
... The guy hiring someone has to be wealthy enough to pay the wage...Later,
K
Ummmm. Kevin, if the employer doesn’t have enough money in his business to hire someone, no one gets hired, whether the job is deserving or not.
Your TV station employer would not be able to hire you if the money is not there.
Steve. I’m not “unhappy”… just concerned. I’ve tried talking to a LOT of ultra-cons and tea party folks. So many are convinced that their way is the ONLY way. Anything else is unAmerican/immoral/blah, blah. They are quite willing to TALK. LISTEN to a differing viewpoint? Like I said. “Nice doggeh!” Politics in the mid 19th Century were polarized and incivil - a lot like today. The nation was in the middle of a great religious revival. Since God was most certainly on your side, anybody who disagreed with you was by definition evil. Would you compromise with the devil?.. Out of that the nation built up to a nice little “prize” - one that began at a place called Fort Sumpter 150 years ago this month. It wouldn’t hurt for those who want to wage war on the nation’s most vulnerable to remember that a cornered rat will fight to the death.
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Sorry you feel so bad, Mik.
Any chance that I can talk you into a better state of mind?
Steve Featherkile said:
Sorry you feel so bad, Mik.Any chance that I can talk you into a better state of mind?
In a word? No.
When we moved here, we knew finances would be close, but we couldn’t stay where we were.
Then our income went down by about 25%. We adjusted. No more eating out. No cable. No going anyplace that required a motel or more than half a tank of gas for pleasure. Kim could still go to see her mom 70 miles away once every two months…
Then the rent went up, gas went apesh–, food went way up, propane went up… but our income sure didn’t. and the poverty line was over our heads before this crap started.
And then some brilliant millionaire Tea Party guy says, “we” can’t afford programs for poor people anymore…
Things like the meds I need to function. The few dollars in food stamps that keeps us from having to eat out of dumpsters. “Everything is on the table” to be cut… Those guys’ answer? “Get a job, ya bum!” – When there is already 10%+ unemployment of able bodied folks? Sure thing! I HAD a business. I went OUT because even without the clowns playing games, folks couldn’t afford the stuff I sold anymore. I then worked for a guy part time, (who was downright cheap) and HE went out of business because the economy stunk and not enough folks were buying off him. (Then said the employees all quit and fought the unemployment)… But “Get a job!” is their pat answer to everything. (The rich already created all these great jobs with their Bush tax cuts, right? As Tony says, Pull the other one, it has bells on)
Also, the state of Pa has already discontinued their one affordable subsidized health care plan for poor working adults. Oh, they’ll help you enroll with a private company… The premium is ONLY $150/month (nearly double what the old one was). – Which we now have to pay for Kim. Money that USED to pay the electric bill and part of the car insurance. And my co-pays are supposed to go up in June… whee!
There was NO food in the house the last 10 days of January. We had to beg emergency food from a local church. They will help ONCE. I’ve sold over half my trains. (The half that folks were willing to buy for more than 30c on the dollar). We have been out of heating fuel since mid-March. Today I spent the last $10 we had in the bank to go into town to try to straighten up a SSA screw up that will cost us approximately$150 next month if it isn’t fixed, and just got the runaround for my trouble. It still isn’t fixed, we’re just out the $10.
And then on the way home I hear some clown on the radio taking about how “everything” is on the table to reduce the debt EXCEPT raising taxes on his rich buddies who again have creates soooo many good paying jobs in the last 5 years…
You wanna make me happy? $3 gas would possibly help. So maybe I can quit having to worry about robbing Peter to pay Paul…especially when I had to rob Paul last month… “Quit living above our means”? The van is 26 years old and paid off. This computer is 10 years old and paid off. After rent, electric and car ins we have $120 to last the month for food and fuel, and we ARE in the LEAST expensive place we could find short of a cardboard box under a bridge.
And still when I turn on the news all I hear is these guys with big fancy cars and two houses pissing and moaning about their damned TAXES and the deficit? Save me the bloody platitudes about hard work and self reliance already. If I COULD make a living wage doing what I am physically able to, I WOULD. All they are worried about is their precious bank balance and investments. I’m worried about simple SURVIVAL. “Shared sacrifice”? Just what the H#LL do I have LEFT to “sacrifice”?
But then, several of our neighbors are even worse off than we are. One got hurt working for the landlord. He can’t get disability. He can’t get workman’s comp. He can’t get Medicaid. AND he can’t even get the landlord to pay him for the work he did before getting hurt OR deduct it from the rent. His wife has been working since she was 15. Something has gone wrong with her health. She now needs $200/mo in meds that she can’t afford and the health ins she has won’t pay for. Another neighbor got laid off from a good construction job, and is now working 20hrs/week at Mal-Wart and 15/wk at a gas station… trying to support 3 kids under 7. But they’re all just “lazy”… Right?
Honestly? I’ve run out of happy places to hide. Meanwhile, it’s booming thunder, pouring cold rain, and we have exactly 30c I found in the couch left to last us 10 days until “exchange day” (And we’ll be really short in May if the SSA doesn’t get their GD mistake fixed) - so I really can’t even PLAN on buying a lousy tube of GLUE if I run out.
I’m supposed to say “Amen” to the gospel according to Ayn Rand? Maybe the Easter Bunny will bring me happy pills…
Quote:The question was "can a poor man hire someone," not "can a business with poor cash flow afford to pay its employees." That's an important distinction to draw. It's the cash flow of the business that affords the business owner the ability to make the hire. If the business itself has enough money to afford an employee, then the employee gets hired. The depth of the owner's pockets don't enter the equation at the time of hire, because the employee isn't being paid out of the owner's pockets. He's being paid out of the business account, usually before the owner gets his share. As Larry illustrates, that's sometimes not all that much.
... Ummmm. Kevin, if the employer doesn't have enough money in his business to hire someone, no one gets hired, whether the job is deserving or not.
You took the position that my friend had to be personally wealthy before he could make his first hire. Such is not the case. He only needed to have built up sufficient cash flow within the business to be able to pay for the needed employee. Ideally, one would have built up sufficient cash flow within the business for the employee and oneself, but if you need two people to do the job, you don’t have that luxury.
Later,
K
If we eliminated the corruption…we could reduce the budget by 50% or more…without cutting services.
It really is to the point where they “steal” more than they use.
Ralph