Large Scale Central

Aristo's Ready-Made-Trains -?

TRAINWORLD’S newest e-mailed promotion was for Aristo-Craft’s RMT, Ready Made Trains, “O” scale diesel locos and assorted freight and passenger cars.

Anyone close to Lewis to know if this marketing venture is an edge into his large scale marketing? I was surprised to see Aristo marketing “O” products under their corporate logo – especially the obvious comparative price differences of an SW4 switcher for $115.00. Interesting also the strange branding – e.g. “PEEP” products.

The large scale industry continues to be interesting.

Any further data?
Wendell

Wendell;

I help out at The Rail Yard, an LHS, during the holidays. I have been able to look at some of the RMT products in the store. It appears that they fill the void left by the demise of K-Line. Some of the RMT items may even use the same dies. This is just my own observation and speculation. I don’t know whether RMT is, in fact, using K-Line dies. I just think that they look a LOT alike.

Yours,
David Meashey

looks like junk…but what do I know…

What is one person’s junk, is another’s treasure…

RMT has been around for a while, they are old K-line, Kusan and even some reworked Marx molds.

Fr.Fred;

And I have heard O gauge enthusiasts say that K-Line was the Marx of our era. (Space now to be filled by RMT?)

Best,
David Meashey

P.S. OOPS! Victor snuck in ahead of my post. I will defer to our own Marx guy.

Dave thats a good analogy, personally though I’d take the old Mark stuff any day of the week. I picked up a “show special” a 50 year old Marx 666 set with the good litho 3/16" cars, it had been sitting in an attic for 20-30+ something number of years, covered with a thick coat of dust, I cleaned that off, oiled the bearings and lube points, put it on the track and after a few short stutters, it took off like a bat out of hell! Still runs great. Dont think I will be able to say that for anything I own today.

Victor;

Yeah, I know what you mean. Had a 70 year old Lionel Torpedo freight set under the tree. I give it a light lube every year before I put it under the tree, and it just keeps running like that bat you mentioned.

As a kid, I used to play with my Uncle Bill’s Marx Commodore Vanderbuilt freight set. I honestly think that locomotive could have broken a cannon ball, it was so tough. After I was married, I found that set in my folks’ attic. I cleaned and lubed the locomotive, dusted off the cars and lubed their journals, then gave everything another wiping with a cloth coated with Pledge. The train still ran like a champ when I gave it back to Uncle Bill.

Best,
David Meashey

Thank your local business school and the Mal-Wart mentality folks for the demise of anything resembling quality. Once someone got the ‘great’ idea that if it breaks, then they can sell you another one, and another, and another, we were toast. Add that to the low price uber alles stuff, and there’s no margin anymore for the manufacturers to put in that tiny extra bit of extra effort anyway.
Sometimes we are our own worst enemy

The question hangs: Why is Aristo-Craft screwing around marketing this product under their brand name…uh, …er…unless the large scale part of the company is not making it. The product does not, per the above comments, make for a product quality match with Aristo’s own self-proclaimed large scale image. Likely, any such comparison was not intended under K-Line mgmt. I doubt K-Line ever compared themselves to Aristo or anybody else. So does this product absorbtion and marketing support Aristo-Craft’s image of product quality?

Imagine, fifteen years ago, LGB absorbing a company producing products of lessor quality and then marketing same under their own brand. Heads would roll.

The marketing arm of this continually diminishing hobby needs a marketing class text book. What a study.
Wendell

Guys, the RMT models are not designed to be brass 0 gauge models. They are designed to be fun TOYS! That said, some of the new boxcars look pretty good.

Wendell;

Just a guess, but it looks like the Polks are looking to branch out into other scales. I was given my first Model Railroader in 1960. Back then the Polks were advertizing die cast HO locomotives under the Aristo Craft name.

Due to problems with the white metal alloy, not many of those locomotives have survived. Their three-pole motors were none too strong either. Nevertheless, I still see these locomotives from time to time at the all-scale shows like Timonium, MD.

Like Steve wrote, RMT are fun toys and not overly expensive. That can be a good thing for entry level three rail folks. I don’t really think that Polks are looking to abandon 1:29 at the present, however, 1:24 may be another story. Looks like the C16 in the Bumble Bee livery is now their only offering there.

Yours,
David Meashey

Back in March, as Forum Members here that read the Aristo Forum may remember, Lewis made a post regarding the reasons for marketing RMT.

RMT has its own President and their company presumably make their own production and marketing decisions.

It was pointed out that the RMT range was manufactured in the same factory as Aristo and shipping containers bound for the States could be filled with both products which, as far as I can see. would mean, most likely, a more frequent delivery of both products and of course a probable reduction in costs. The warehousing facility was also to be shared. It seems a very sensible arrangement to me, especially in these difficult trading times. I am sure other manufacturers may well consider some kind of sharing facilities if they can.

It has been said that the 1:24 Classic line was not a good seller and as Dave M points out the only survivor is the C16. As far as I know RMT is not available in UK shops, a pity, it looks like a great range for those not wishing to, or are unable, to spend larger amounts on their trains: it seems ideal for youngsters.

Wendell Hanks said:
The question hangs: Why is Aristo-Craft screwing around marketing this product under their brand name..uh, ...er..unless the large scale part of the company is not making it.
So by that reasoning, does every model train company that starts a line in a second or third or even fourth scale do it because their first or primary scale ". . . is not making it?" Would you apply that conclusion to Atlas, who manufacture in N, H0 and 0 scales? How about Accucraft who manufacture in 1:32, 1:29, 1:24 and 1:20 scale? And Bachmann who manufacture in N, H0, 0, 1:22 and 1:20 scales?

Is your thinking that a model train company must manufacture in only one scale? That requirement would take a lot of very popular products off the market and probably put a lot of these companies out of business!!

Wendell Hanks said:
The product does not, per the above comments, make for a product quality match with Aristo's own self-proclaimed large scale image. Likely, any such comparison was not intended under K-Line mgmt. I doubt K-Line ever compared themselves to Aristo or anybody else. So does this product absorbtion and marketing support Aristo-Craft's image of product quality?
Aristocraft is hardly the paragon of high quality. Mostly adequate, but with spotty results in both operational capabilities and in service and support. As Steve pointed out above, these K-Line 0 scale units are toys rather than accurate, highly detailed scale models. In that regard, they require lots less support than the LS engines and accessories. That means fewer quality demands, fewer returns and fewer complaints. Yet, the same production equipment (reportedly belonging to Kader Industries, the owner of Bachmann) could be operating on a more continuous basis, thus actually providing better financial support for the LS stuff.
Wendell Hanks said:
Imagine, fifteen years ago, LGB absorbing a company producing products of lessor quality and then marketing same under their own brand. Heads would roll.

The marketing arm of this continually diminishing hobby needs a marketing class text book. What a study.
Wendell


LGB’s business model is hardly one to be held up as an example for success. In case you don’t know or remember, LGB went bankrupt while sticking to their combination of a lack of scale fidelity and so-called ‘quality at any cost’ plan. In response to that business model, heads did roll!

Meanwhile, the companies I listed above appear to be doing fairly well, mixed scales and all, even in these times of world financial stress and failures. Perhaps the marketing study you propose would applaud their decisions to spread the cost of the R&D involved in designing and producing any railroad model across several scales and a range of quality ranging from toys to serious scale models. Bachmann (a long time H0 producer) producing and selling large scale models in both the ‘Big Haulers’ (a basic toy line) alongside their ‘Spectrum Models’ (a high fidelity model line) comes to mind.

BTW, this is all kind of old news. The K-Line manufacturing has been done by Kader at least since 2004 or so. When K-Line went under in ~2007 (possibly due to trying to survive on a single product line?) the same products were then sold under the “K-Line by Lionel” brand name. Lionel withdrew from that arrangement within the last 24 months. I’m pretty certain that putting the products in a new box labeled “RMT by Aristocraft” represents a relatively small change for this very large manufacturing company.

Just my thoughts.

Happy RRing,

Jerry

Jerry -
Good observation that model RR companies do offer a number of scales in their product line. Having a number of scales does not mean company problems. Atlas makes highly rated products throughout all the scales they sell.

The point I make is what you agree with: Aristo quality is not noted as trusted. My extension on that is Aristo has yet to meet the quality image of LGB fifteen years ago. At that time, LGB was the hobby brand name and their quality image was maintained through the entire line they sold – that’s toys to their “models”. My observation is simply will the K-line quality depreciate further Aristo’s large scale quality image efforts. After all, they put the Aristo logo on the product packaging and TRAINWORLD makes it clear to their customers it is an Aristo product. I would guess very few consumers know, or will know, that the products are K-line in origin and therefore will separate Aristo’s image from the product. This is not a situation MTH or Atlas experiences.
Wendell

I think there testing the waters, As you know Large scale isn’t doing well rite now and at current track prices and such. I dont think you’ll see

a recovery any time soon. Prices are getting out of reach of the normal Joe which use to drive this Hobby. MTH is out, Sierra got out as well.

I think a lot more will fall if they cant get there QC and prices under control.

Yep Same here… Back out to the Ho building that i don’t have much trouble with… hahahaha… Keep my g stuff for shelf. hehehehe… Hard to get parts anyway… kiss kiss

Thinking of it. what i have in G stuff was replaced would make a very nice new ho layout and new building extenchen to the old 10 X 40 foot building…lol

No more than I get to run what I have, I’ll probably stay in large scale. I have most of the track I need. I’ve sold off most of the stuff that did not fit with what I want to do. (It was 1:29 - I’m sticking with narrow gauge in 1:22.5 and 1:24. I know - 1:20.3 is cutting edge, BUT most of my stuff was bought before all that started.) Since both of my railroads are imaginary, equipment can be modified or scratch built as needed. AND it may force me to finish all those shelved projects.

Best,
David Meashey