calm down Fred… no reason to shift in to ALL CAPS so early. (https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-surprised.gif)
There are some parts for USAT locos that are no longer available.
Greg
I’d go for some rS-3 lights that are on the corners.
Jerry;
Those are known as Classification Lights, or sometimes “Class Lights”.
If I can manage to get someone to find a way to remove one, without damaging their loco; I’ll give it to Gilbert. In the meantime, if you can find one, please send it to me…PLEASE.
Fred Mills
I also have found a pair (There is a right and a left) of windshield wipers for the Aristo FA 1…Ill give them to Gilbert as soon as I see him. Would they work on the USTrains unit ?
Fred Mills
Probably not, Aristo sort of prided itself on making detail parts larger and more rugged… the horn bases could support a semi trailer…
USAT has always been great on parts, but certain models have not been run in years, and the parts are “thin”…
Thanks for your efforts Fred, the community of fumble-fingers thanks you!
Greg
Thanks to Fred Mills and the crew at the OVGRS. I now can 3D print Aristocraft replacement parts for the FA-1 Horn and Windshield Wipers and the RS-3 Horn. Photo added in my album titled ‘Large Scale replacement Parts’.
I also appreciate my other customers efforts who have shipped off to me their precious original Aristo parts to get 3D printed copies made.
I am presently working on Marker Lights for the Critter ( and RS-3?) and some other parts for the C-16. Soon, I’ll be shipping these new parts along with the originals to Mr. Taylor from the UK.
My list for Aristo parts numbers more than 75 items and growing with your assistance of lending me a part ( in good shape or broken )you need copied.
I only copy parts that are no longer being manufactured. I have to respect the copyright and the active businesses along with their replacement part depts.
Gilbert Lacroix
GLX Scale Models
Gilbert,
Horns and marker lights are, as far as I know, a common feature to the Aristo RS3, Centre Cab and L’ill Critter as the hoods are a common part. Not just two birds with one stone, but three. (https://largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-wink.gif)
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Alan;
Those are NOT “Marker Lights”, those are “Classification Lights”, or for short “Class lights”. Marker lights are found on cabooses, at the rear end of Trains.
Fred
One would think that in this day and age, Mu’d locomotives on the back of a train with the classification lights being red, would then be considered marker lights, just as on a caboose and the Fred’s…
But hey, I’m no expert, just a modeler…
Many locos had a red light that could be turned on when there was no caboose… Note the USA trains F3’s with the light in the rear bulkhead… Also many of the F units had a red light that would nestle in the mars light or headlight…
Definitely in a different place than classification lights.
For modern locos, I think classification lights are gone…
Greg
GILBERT LACROIX said:
Thanks to Fred Mills and the crew at the OVGRS. I now can 3D print Aristocraft replacement parts for the FA-1 Horn and Windshield Wipers and the RS-3 Horn. Photo added in my album titled ‘Large Scale replacement Parts’.
I also appreciate my other customers efforts who have shipped off to me their precious original Aristo parts to get 3D printed copies made.
I am presently working on Marker Lights for the Critter ( and RS-3?) and some other parts for the C-16.
Fred,
I think Alan was just repeating what Gilbert said? So really there is no need to make it “CLEAR” to him without “Classifying” it to all in general?
Fred Mills. said:
Alan;
Those are NOT “Marker Lights”, those are “Classification Lights”, or for short “Class lights”. Marker lights are found on cabooses, at the rear end of Trains.
Fred
Thank you for the “Classification”
3D prints are the way to go on this, if – IF – you can print them in a flexible plastic or maybe carbon fiber. I can’t do either, but I might be able to print one or two in PLA to make resin casts.
Why do you want the 2 extremes? The flexible plastic would probably cause a horn to droop in the heat, and unless you want to pay $40 each carbon fiber would not sell. I’m also not sure why you would want resin? I would think that the resin is not much more durable than the 3D printing, which seems to be SLA from Gilbert, not filament printed.
Can you explain your reasoning? By the way ordered horns and windshield wipers today, thanks Gilbert!
Greg
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Fred,
I think Alan was just repeating what Gilbert said? So really there is no need to make it “CLEAR” to him without “Classifying” it to all in general?
Many thanks for your post Mr. Roo. I knew what the correct name was but, as you correctly point out I followed Gilbert’s description, Actually the mention of the three Aristo locos probably told readers what it was we were talking about. (Non- North American readers accepted (https://largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-wink.gif))
Although I model an American ‘bridge line’ and thanks to Classic Trains have got to understand much of North American railroad terminology, being one of the many old guys here memory often fails. (https://largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-frown.gif)
Now, having been carried in the womb in a house adjacent to a GWR railway station and always living within whistle sound of said UK Great Western Railway, I do know far more about that former company plus the memory banks are more active in that area.
Dick, Greg is correct essentially small parts like horns cannot be made in 3D filament plastic of any kind. In any 3D printing process, the material is applied in very thin layers. These layers are always subject to bending by the earth’s gravity during printing or until the plastic hardens. When there is enough layers to form a substantial thickness, the extensions on the object hold themselves upright on their own. The 3D printer technician often uses supports to counteract the effects of gravity in a filament or SLA resin type of machine. When I print the horns, I have actually drawn supports along the underside of the object. The supports are cut off manually after the part is printed and before the resin hardens up for good.
Since the layers are thin, all supports are spaced less than 0.05 to 0.125 inches from each other. Supports in SLA resin are are like little toothpick ends. Filament supports are 10 to 20 times bigger and usually formed in long rows because it is not possible to stack minuscule layers of liquid filament on top of each other. Hot filament plastic is like wax. You would have a though time separating large PLA or ABS plastic supports from the horn measuring about 1 inch long and has no flat surfaces - curves every where.
Essentially, there is a lot more labor in a 3D printed part than just pressing PRINT in the software. There is post processing of removing supports, sanding and painting. And also before all of that, there is the designing of the build file of the part.
Fred Mills, I had to use the same naming as Aristo when labeling my products. It is to ease in the search when referencing the old parts diagrams. Marker Lights is the term they used for the corner lights on front of the RS-3 and Critters. I have the newest product, Classification Lights, as they should be called, test printed and hardening on my window sill waiting for more sun rays as we speak.
Good point on the parts numbering Gilbert, since Aristo supplied exploded parts drawings for almost all their products, keeping exactly the same part number and description should cause the least confusion.
(by the way, I have a fairly extensive library of these documents should you need any, just drop me an email)
Another thought: have you ever considered making ALTERNATE parts available, i.e. perhaps different horn assemblies than are supplied stock from USAT? For example perhaps a 5 chime horn that would replace the 2 single chime units? You would not be infringing on any copyright, etc. Also we could REALLY use an alternate stirrup with a design that would keep it in place on the F units, and for that matter, a better looking set of hoses, again in a design that would not come off the loco so easily. Many detail parts on USAT locos are littered on my right of way! Just a thought.
Thanks for the update Gilbert, and looking forwards to more good stuff.
Greg
The Classification Lights for the Aristo RS-3 and Critter are now printed. I added a photo in one of my albums - Aristocraft Replacement Parts. ART82100-05.
Greg - I always welcome product suggestions for ‘Alternates’. I don’t get them too often. It also helps if the data and models ( where this item is to be installed ) are provided with the suggested idea. It really helps fast forward the development stage.