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Aristo-Craft C-18?

After recently thinking of obtaining some D&S Narrow-gauge R.R. coaches, I noticed on You-tube the Rio Grande #315 C-18 recently restored. While no doubt physically larger than the little Aristo C-16, I noticed many similarities and was willing to forgo any inaccuracies to build something similar. First step is complete disassembly. I could not exactly remember how I had disassembled these some years ago and so this was a learning curve.

This is a new project for me and only time will tell how long it takes to finish it off. First modification was to reattach those pesky ‘rivetted’ cab sideplates. I have yet to receive a steel cab C-16 that does not have some issue with these stuck on cab sides. Second step is rearranging the sand dome position.

Tonight, I cut through the boiler just aft of the boiler band at the smokebox. I then cut the boiler just forward of the boiler band at the front edge of the steam dome. The removed boiler section was then rotated 180 degrees and the boiler reassembled. The mounting sleeve thickness on the smokebox required a little filing down to allow the rotated boiler section to fit. The end result is a more prototypical sand dome arrangement, just forward of the steam dome and the bell midway between the stack and the sand dome. I will need to cut a slot in the underside of the boiler, at the forward end, to allow the footboard mount to slot back in. Surprisingly, the entire process was relatively easy. I used the integral weight to line up the boiler sections when gluing together.

Assuming no problems, this should be an ‘easy’ conversion. I will most likely take a shortcut and not fit the raised footboard on the right hand side, unless I see an easy way to do it. In due course, the siderod will be extended to fit to the number three axle. This will visually lessen the height discrepancy with the cylinders. I really do not want to lower the drive, although it does not look difficult to do.

Moving the main rod to the 3rd axle is relatively painless. You take the siderods off and flip them end for end. Cut the connecting rod in the middle, and splice it longer with box styrene. The rocker shaft for the valve gear pulls out and you either drill a new hole or cut off the stub then put in a longer bit of brass wire for the rod. The 2nd crosshead guide bar can then be fabricated by 1/8" square styrene or even a matchstick. The actual work takes about 1/2 hour.

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To do a ‘proper’ job, the wheel spacing would need re-arranged, but 99.5% of people won’t notice

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I’ve got a BUNCH of NG Consolidation pix, including #315 under restoration, posted under the articles section here http://www.largescalecentral.com/articles/view.php?id=116 http://www.largescalecentral.com/articles/view.php?id=117 http://www.largescalecentral.com/articles/view.php?id=118

Mik,
many thanks. Lots of good information.

General idea. I decided to sacrifice accuracy for simplicity. Compressors will not be lowered and recessed into the left hand footboard. A Bachmann Annie air tank will be fitted to the right hand side giving the raised footboard. A spacer/adapter plate, approx. 1/8" thick needs to be fitted to the front wall of the cab to surround the boiler and retain it. Due the cutting and filing necessary to rearrange the sand dome position, the boiler finished up around 1/8" too short.

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Edit: rather than make a spacer plate to account for the missing 1/8", I modified the cab floor allowing the cab to move forward slightly, taking up the gap. The gap is now just forward of the firebox and relatively out of sight inside the cab.

If you weren’t halfway around the world… I have about 3" of Delton boiler barrel left in my scrapbox, and another complete shell on the way.

Just remember that the air pumps are ‘backwards’ - the steam inlets are on the left top (towards the front of the loco) And the air outlets are on the right bottom (towards the rear).

I’m trying to think if there was anything else odd that I encountered… other than the drawbar having a funny angle because of the raised superstructure on the loco. I finally gave up and put a longish screw in mine in place of the front pin.

Trackside Details has a chime whistle similar to the one that the 315 wore in the 40’s, and the blowdowns as well.

Mik,
no problem. The eBay guy that sells all the old Delton stuff only ships within the States, otherwise I would have purchased a lot of his new old stock. Because of the air tank position on the right hand side, the rocker shafts will be staying in the stock model location. The tank hangs down and would interfere with the rocker shaft if relocated to aft of the second axle. This model is getting more and more complicated!!!

 I will most likely paint in the 1940's flying Rio Grande herald as I already have the decals and do not want to purchase further decals.  Ideally,  I wanted to do it like the current day restored loco (retro mid-1930's) to run with the LGB D&S coaches that I have purchased.  With reference to your articles,   #315 last steamed in 1949 (before restoration) and it is not possible to have the D&S coaches with #315 in the flying herald road scheme.

Progress made. Locomotive completed, tender to finish off after sound fitted. NOTE: tender shown is incorrect and is a donor tender made some years ago from incorrect info. Additional crosshead guide bar fitted and rocker shaft relocated on non-engineer side. Bachmann Annie air tank fitted, although a little oversize. Awaiting correct decals to letter the modified tender. Not intended to be a scale model, but merely to represent the prototype. End result worth the effort. Next project will be D&RGW #318 as it hopefully will be restored and it does not have the footboard mounted air tank so should be a little easier to do.

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Lovely!

Mik,
many thanks. Your tips and article photographs were invaluable. The crosshead guide bars were really very simple to do (as was the rocker shaft relocation). The rods did need a little tuning to get clearance at the piston end - very tight clearances causing binding!!!