Greg Elmassian said:
It would be nice to know what the sound files are… but finally some are there, we know the USB stick has been in the states for some time, and there is the loader program.
Good news.
Greg
BAD NEWS i have been told that this is not backwards compatible.
cheers Richard
What is not backwards compatible? Being able to use the USB stick to load firmware or sound files?
I just got off the phone with Navin, and those downloads on the site are indeed sound files, so people will have a choice.
I’ll be getting my setup in January, and Navin pointed out something I had missed, that they have a new LINEAR base station.
This will be good for people that have systems where the sound card cannot use PWM. I’ll be evaluating and testing it in January.
Regards, Greg
Yes, a Linear base station and a PWM to linear filter. That’s good news for some of us who can’t use PWM.
Greg Elmassian said:
What is not backwards compatible? Being able to use the USB stick to load firmware or sound files?
I just got off the phone with Navin, and those downloads on the site are indeed sound files, so people will have a choice.
I’ll be getting my setup in January, and Navin pointed out something I had missed, that they have a new LINEAR base station.
This will be good for people that have systems where the sound card cannot use PWM. I’ll be evaluating and testing it in January.
Regards, Greg
I was told sound files, O and i will be getting setup in January also.
cheers, Richard
David Maynard said:
Yes, a Linear base station and a PWM to linear filter. That’s good news for some of us who can’t use PWM.
The old base station CRE 57005, sometimes referred to as the Super Revolution, was supposed have a choice between LINEAR and PWC. You can still see the choices on the ASSIGN FUNCTIONS menu of the throttle under item b “Rx Type”. Unfortunately it was not produced that way.
Be aware the Base Stations are polarity sensitive.
The PWC to LINEAR DC board CRE-57091 was produced. Actually there were two of them. A light duty version CRE-57090 for sound boards, and a heavy duty version for locomotive power.
I used a CRE-57091 in my LGB battery power and radio control car when I was told LGB motors did not like PWC. I still have 3 of them in my spares parts. I was considering using them in USAT battery power and radio control installations so the main circuit board with it troublesome voltage regulators could be maintained to power both the motors and lights. But I preferred removing the circuit board and adding LED lights with dropping resistors instead.
Are these new sound files with locomotive choices?
Or are they just updates that were made to the diesel and steam sounds we are familiar with.
I know the diesels sounds files were modified. When Lewis asked the audience at an ECLSTS to e-mail suggestions for improvements to the Revolution system, myself and a fellow OVGRS club member sent him 7 suggestions. One of them was to eliminate the horn and bell sounding every time the diesel started or reached 20% power. It was really annoying, as we made numerous stops to change directions while operating. It took a while, but that change was made.
From my conversation with Navin, there seem to be more than just one diesel and one steam… the files are already there in the download section as well as the downloader/updater program, and also firmware for the throttles.
If you look at the file names, you can see which are diesel and which are steam.
Greg
From my conversation with Navin, there seem to be more than just one diesel and one steam… the files are already there in the download section as well as the downloader/updater program, and also firmware for the throttles.
If you look at the file names, you can see which are diesel and which are steam.
Greg
LGB motors do like PWC, they are tied to decoders in the MTS versions w2hich do pulse power to the motors. It is the sound and/or the electronics which do not like PWC. In fact many DCC decoders will give strange results on PWC.
I have a decoder equipped engine which will not work on the MRC 10 amp power pack but runs on my aristo/crest 27 mhz set to linear with no problem.
Reason for this is a decoder could see the PWC pulses and think this is not DC but can not lock in to a DCC signal as there is none there.
I call this the Peter Pan syndrome as the decoder is in never never land!!
What I found interesting was the Active Linear Plug & Play boards
Yes, DCC rectifies to DC even better than standard 60 Hz AC…
Dunno why they call them active, since they are composed of completely passive components.
Greg
OK, I called Navin.
The VERY EARLY transmitters (with plastic keyboard, not rubber) are not upgradeable… most were part of the Beta test, but a few were sold.
notwithstanding #1, ALL transmitters are the same hardware and will run the same firmware, old and new, sound and non sound receivers.
the USB dongle will update ALL transmitters (when they release the files)
the USB dongle will update all the “new” receivers.
They are working on this, so that the USB dongle will update the OLD Revolution receivers. Remember that the main engineer on the Revolution is one of the owners of the new Precision RC company.
So, bottom line, is that unless you have one of the very rare plastic keyboard transmitters, EVERYTHING will work with EVERYTHING.
Greg
Thanks, Greg!
Greg Elmassian said:
OK, I called Navin.
The VERY EARLY transmitters (with plastic keyboard, not rubber) are not upgradeable… most were part of the Beta test, but a few were sold.
notwithstanding #1, ALL transmitters are the same hardware and will run the same firmware, old and new, sound and non sound receivers.
the USB dongle will update ALL transmitters (when they release the files)
the USB dongle will update all the “new” receivers.
They are working on this, so that the USB dongle will update the OLD Revolution receivers. Remember that the main engineer on the Revolution is one of the owners of the new Precision RC company.
So, bottom line, is that unless you have one of the very rare plastic keyboard transmitters, EVERYTHING will work with EVERYTHING.
Greg
But until they do #5 and they have know this for awhile. Everything will Not work with Everything.
cheers richard
WRONG Richard.
The old receivers work right now, you just cannot update/change their firmware with the USB dongle yet.
Do you have a receiver that needs new firmware? Do you know anyone that cannot use his system because he is waiting to update his firmware? I doubt it. This would be someone with old Beta hardware that never updated it.
The USB dongle to allow firmware updates is a NEW feature, and NOT necessary to run your system. The system WORKS with old and new receivers and old and new transmitters right NOW.
Again, repeating:
So, bottom line, is that unless you have one of the very rare plastic keyboard transmitters, EVERYTHING will work with EVERYTHING.
Greg
WRONG GREG
I can use caps to. I said was that the usb can’t be used with the old receivers now to change the sound. Everything will Not work with Everything
cheers Richard
OK, you can split hairs all you want.
The important thing to customers is that the NEW stuff works NOW with the OLD stuff.
And, soon, you will be able to update firmware and download sound files yourself.
This is the most honest way to present it and most helpful.
And you did not specifically say you were just talking about the usb, so your post gave the wrong impression, and I will quote you here:
“But until they do #5 and they have know this for awhile. Everything will Not work with Everything.”
Everything you have now will work with the new transmitters and new receivers.
I believe that you are focusing on downloading new or different sound files. We all have wanted this. Clearly this product will never have the depth and breadth of Phoenix, for example. Is this your problem/expectation?
You did fail to do me the courtesy to answer my question: If you or anyone you know is UNABLE to run trains because of needing a firmware update… thus logic would infer your issue is new sound files, or changing sound files.
How about coming clean and stating what your issue is, instead of being a downer about the hard work it took to get the Revolution line back in production (no thanks to the previous management by the way).
Greg
Greg
I will not answer your question because it has nothing to do with what i said your #5 only deals with the usb. my point is because you said EVERYTHING will work with EVERYTHING and anybody goes out and byes a usb to change the sound it will not work right now. the end
cheers Richard
OK, so all you want to do is split hairs. You win.
Well the good news stands, anyone invested in the Revolution can now get additional receivers and transmitters.
Also, a full linear only unit is available, good for people that have locos with regulators that do not like PWM
Also, Navin is there, who is a great guy and will take care of people as he has for 20 years.
Greg
I just received the “trackside” full linear unit, with fan. It’s small enough to fit in a large loco or tender or box car, so you could use it to power a consist of locos.
I’ll be putting pictures on my site and testing it out.
Greg
