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Another C-19 - backdating RGS 340 to 1910 on the EBT

You have probably seen Kevin’s build photos of his C-19, East Broad Top #7, and you’ve heard about the Bachmann C-19. Here’s a variation - a live steam C-19 backdated to 1910; representing the same loco as Kevin’s model. This is a modelling and painting story, not a steaming exercise, so it is in this topic. The loco isn’t finished yet, but there are limits to how far I want to go in hacking a brass and stainless steel live steamer! It needs a wooden 3-panel cab, amongst other details. The prototype was a C-19 that the D&RGW didn’t want to take delivery of, so the EBT picked it up - presumably for a song.

I originally bought a C-16 when Accucraft produced them as one of their first models. With a splash of paint and some decals it stood in for #7 for many years. Then Accucraft released their C-19, and eventually they put them on sale so I bought one. RGS #340 had a high-sided tender, unlike the EBT locos which were never far from a water source. Here’s the Accucraft pic:

So the first thing to do was swap tenders.

That worked, but who wanted a C-16 with a C-19 tender? Ah - through the wonders of the internet, I found Tom in Texas who wanted to make some RGS engine that needed a C-16 with a high-sided tender. He already had a C-16 with a small tender, so we swapped tenders. I then sold the C-16 with the new small tender, keeping my old one as (a) it was full of r/c gear and (b) it had custom EBTRRCCo decals. The C-19 got a new stack, the old number was removed, and it ran like that for a couple of years. Here we are at Jim’s steam-up:

Tom also had a couple of old-style domes (and Cliff at Accucraft had an old-style C-16 dome already sanded to C-19 contours. Was he playing with an EBT #7 model too, I wondered?) I put them in a box and thought about taking the boiler apart to fit the domes - which unfortunately are bolted from inside the boiler wrapper. Late last year I had EBT #12 running fine so I could afford to sideline my other loco and the great tear-down began. Again, with advice from my internet friends, I managed to remove the boiler without breaking anything. Here’s the frame and boiler wrapper without any domes:

And with the new domes and the boiler re-installed, ready for the paint shop.

Before painting, I decided to run it a few times to make sure all was well. I installed servos for the r/c and hooked them up to the tender, swapping its receiver for a 2.4Ghz spectrum-compatible one.

This last few weeks I have had time to give it a thorough wash-down with degreaser and to paint it flat black, with a small amount of weathering. I also found I had another complete set of “Aughwick” decals so it got the full treatment (I have a set of “Augwick” decals too, but that’s another story!) I sprayed the decals with Krylon UV protected matte clear, which seems to work. And here’s the current state of my East Broad Top #7:

Nice loco Pete. :slight_smile:

That looks great Pete. Hope to see it, and you in Scranton this winter.

That really looks good. What a difference when the factory paint gets redone and everything is toned down.

Jon Radder said:
That looks great Pete. Hope to see it, and you in Scranton this winter.
Jon, Unfortunately, (or not, depending on how you like your steam-ups) I will be in sunny FL for most of the winter and I won't make Scranton next year. Do I take it with me, is the question.
Shawn said:
That really looks good. What a difference when the factory paint gets redone and everything is toned down.
And that factory paint is tough, let me tell you. Getting it off, or even roughing it up to add a new coat, is not easy!

Hey Pete, looking good. Dont forget to paint the tires black to match the wheel hubs. What a world of difference on my K28

Jason Kovac said:
Hey Pete, looking good. Dont forget to paint the tires black to match the wheel hubs. What a world of difference on my K28

The tires are that way as I was trying to protect the oiled/oily bits from the de-greaser spray!

(http://freightsheds.largescalecentral.com/users/petert/_forumfiles/IMG_4675-ebt7c19-bluetape-7.jpg)

It will get done eventually… Interesting that the prototype pic shows whitewalls ??

Looks great, but I’m with Jason–ya gotta paint those tires. I’ve used Badger’s ModelFlex gloss black, which I’ve found to be very durable on tires.

One minor historical correction - #7 was built to the same Baldwin drawings as the D&RGW’s C-19 (then called their “class-70” locos), but was built new for the EBT to their specs.

Later,

K

Kevin, is that the super gloss black listed under the railroad colors?

Pete I used a qtip with a degreaser and brush painted.

Jason Kovac said:
Pete I used a qtip with a degreaser and brush painted.
That's more-or-less what I did on #12. I'll get there, when I finish board-and-battening coach #12.
Quote:
I've used Badger's ModelFlex gloss black,
Be nice if there was a source that didn't charge me an arm and a leg for shipping. Star Hobby hasn't heard of it yet !

www.hobbylinc.com

And if anyone wants to know what board-and-battening is all about, here’s EBT coach #12 under construction/conversion from an Accu J&S:

(http://freightsheds.largescalecentral.com/users/petert/_forumfiles/IMG_4725-battens-under-const-8.jpg)

(The white and black thing above the side is a jig for making sure they glue on straight.) The normal panelling is covered with 0.5mm black styrene, and the battens are 030x060 Evergreen Styrene.

Bart Salmons said:
www.hobbylinc.com
Thanks, Bart - but most of their Badger paints are (a) out of stock and (b) not described other than a heading. Took me a lot of searching to find the details.
Kevin Strong said:
Looks great, but I'm with Jason--ya gotta paint those tires. I've used Badger's ModelFlex gloss black, which I've found to be very durable on tires.

K


Why ‘gloss’ black? There appears to be a flat black too. The rest of the loco is matte, so painting it with gloss just means having to over-paint/spray with matte again.

Maybe this will help. They seem to have a whole lot of RR colors

http://www.modelflexpaint.com

Matt

The gloss matches the paint on the drivers better, and the “flat black” isn’t black, but charcoal grey–at least my bottle was. Then again, my first bottle of “flat black” was gloss black, so I really can’t say definitively what their flat back really is. Regardless, the gloss black is spot on for the paint Accucraft uses on their drivers, so when you weather it (and you are going to weather it, right?) you’ve got a consistent color on the drivers. If you look at my EBT #12, I used the gloss black for the tires and the valve gear. I also used it on my smokebox since it sticks very well to the Accucraft paint, then I overpainted with the el-cheapo craft acrylic flat black paint I use for smokeboxes.

Later,

K