MAYBE THERE IS HOPE AFTER ALL
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Ken,
Thanks for posting. I missed it in my morning mail of WND. I wonder if we will need feathers, warpaint and buckskins? I have a tomahawk which will do wonders to a teachest.
N
I’ll meet you at the Lexington Bridge.
Ken,
Don’t get your hopes up. The “revolutionist” might get in to office, but then he’ll learn the perks and jump ship to the privileged class. It is a revolving wheel.
Don’t worry Ric, I’m not. But it is nice to stir the pot occasionally…
Stirring a pot sometimes scares me… You never know what might come to the surface…
Some things are best kept hidden… 
Boy, what a fool the mayor appears, apples and oranges. i can see how he got elected in Detroit.
The average UAW worker earns $144.00 per hour with pay and benefits. No wonder the auto companies are going broke. We need to cut off the supply at the public teat.
Yes, we need to make sure we set up an economy where wages are low, low low and there are no benefits, except for those at the top, who make staggering sums of money. We need to let workers know that the point of their labor is not their own betterment, but making sure Wall Street enjoys an uninterrupted profit stream. Won’t that be great? Who wouldn’t want to live in that society?
I say, let’s keep lowering wages everywhere, till we look like China. There’s your American dream. Yahoo! Tea Party anyone?
Here’s the response from the White House
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCQ9xb4CBeI&feature=channel
I pay my mortgage every month, like clockwork, and it’s a stiff bill–it takes a big chunk of my monthly payment. I don’t like the idea of some guy next door getting subsidized any more than anyone else, but I don’t like the idea of the value of my home, which is my primary investment, dropping because my neighbor defaults.
Have you looked at the unemployment figures? You think everybody who has trouble making the payments is just some bum? If it’s possible to cut a deal where the bank makes some money and my neighbor keeps his house and I keep the value of my home, its a better deal for me than watching the neighborhood tank
Did Santelli make a similar rant when Bush proposed his bailout of Wall Street? If so, send me the link. How come it’s some kind of crime if UAW workers make a good wage, but it’s not a problem if the Chairman of Citibank makes 100 million?
Mike, it’s not a crime if the UAW workers earn a pot of gold each hour. However, if the automobile they produce is too expensive to purchase in relation to other autos, then these same UAW guys will soon be out of a job, and that would be a cryin’ shame.
I have not yet been convinced that the Chairman of Citibank is worth 100 million dollars a year, or whatever he makes. On the other hand, I think that as a Certified Physician Assistant, I am more productive than is the guy who drives around and picks up my garbage. He earns 50% more than I do. There is sumpin’ wrong with that, and that sumpin’ is unions. BTW, I am quite sure that the guy who picks up your garbage earns about 50% more than do you. Is that right? Will forming a union solve the problem? Perhaps, but at what cost? If you think that medical care is expensive now, just wait until MD’s and PA-C’s are unionized!
GM’s labor costs are ALWAYS explained to us in terms of factory workers making too much. Have you ever seen a breakdown of the labor costs of GM’s management? I never have. What does the average salaried employee make? Is anyone calling for management to take a pay cut, and arguing that the salaries of management are too high?
No, we blame the Unions, and talk about how outrageous it is that workers make a decent wage. What are the costs–including retirement and health–for their management? It’s management that made the decisions that got the company in trouble.
I could be completely wrong–maybe GM has very few managers, and they make very little. Maybe salaried workers are a tiny percentage of the overall labor costs. I’d just like to see it, and it’s never part of the discussion. Instead, the “problem” is that ordinary guys make a good living.
It does not bother me if the guy collecting the trash makes more than me. It’s a dirty hard job and I get, I suspect, a lot of satisfactions from my job that he doesn’t.
There was a recent segment on the Newshour with Jim Lehrer, regarding Haines Brand Inc and its programme to shutdown existing production facilities in America and set up a manufacturing base in Hanoi, Vietnam. Average monthly wage is $80.00 USD, which is higher than the minimum allowage award wage of $50.00 a month. To receive this princely sum of money, the worker is required to work 8 hours per day, six days a week.
Ironic, that one American factory closed down by Haines (South Carolina?) is now a government-funded social service workshop, to deal with those who have found themselves made redundant by the company’s decision to move offshore. When a company spokesperson was asked for how long Haines would support the Haines complex in Hanoi, he replied, “We are here for the long term, maybe 20 years, or until it is cheaper to manufacture elsewhere.” One Haines factory, in the States, was in operation for 135 years before being closed. Vietnam is the new industrial tiger economy in Asia, with peak production invisaged in ten years time, around 2020. They are ‘suffering’ the dilemma the Chinese government faced, many years ago, when the country realised that capitalism was the only business model to achieve success.
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TonyWalsham said:
Success relative to what?The Tigers have also found that their major export markets either have dried up, or are in the process of drying up, because the very workers they need to sell to in the Western markets, no longer have any jobs.
Thank you for making my point, Tony.
Wow, Steve, since I am a garbageman, let me enlighten you on a little secret, we EARN our money, I am in the union, but have been an owner also, so I know both sides. It is not the workers fault, except to elect very liberal poor minded officials, they went on strike in Chicago for the first time ever about 6 years ago, they screwed the workers so bad I do not have the place and time to talk about all the bad stuff, the average worker has his body destroyed by the work he does, just like YOU though, he has a RIGHT to earn as much as he can, so please DO NOT pick on the garbageman, he is earning an HONEST living, not like the CEO`s and politicians.
I have said this for years, pretty soon all these CEO`s are sending there manufacturing jobs overseas to people who earn $1 a day or less, so good paying JOBS in America are being lost, so HELLO, who is going to afford there products now. It all catches up to you in the long run.
Tom Huisenga
Garbageman all my life, and proud of it!!!
Tom,
I honor your proud service to our community, and thank you for it.
Why do you suppose that the various CEO’s have sent the manufacturing jobs offshore? Why are our model trains now made in China and not in New Jersey? Be honest.
I do not disparage anyone from earning all that the traffic will bear. A good craftsman is worth his weight in gold, as far as I am concerned. That said, the union bosses are as guilty of greed as you accuse the various CEO’s of being.
A case in point. The US Merchant Marine, not very long ago, was the finest in the world, led by hardworking American sailors on US Flagged Ships. The union bosses got greedy and priced their union out of their jobs. Now, what used to be US Flagged ships are still owned by US Corporations, but are flagged overseas, and crewed by a polyglot crew. About the only merchant ships still sailing under the US Flag are those in the Naval Sealift Command. My son-in-law’s best friend is a recent graduate of the US Merchant Marine Academy, and the only place that he could find a job on a US Flagged ship was one of the NSC ships.
Steve Featherkile said:
Tom,I honor your proud service to our community, and thank you for it.
Why do you suppose that the various CEO’s have sent the manufacturing jobs offshore? Why are our model trains now made in China and not in New Jersey? Be honest.
I do not disparage anyone from earning all that the traffic will bear. A good craftsman is worth his weight in gold, as far as I am concerned. That said, the union bosses are as guilty of greed as you accuse the various CEO’s of being.
A case in point. The US Merchant Marine, not very long ago, was the finest in the world, led by hardworking American sailors on US Flagged Ships. The union bosses got greedy and priced their union out of their jobs. Now, what used to be US Flagged ships are still owned by US Corporations, but are flagged overseas, and crewed by a polyglot crew. About the only merchant ships still sailing under the US Flag are those in the Naval Sealift Command. My son-in-law’s best friend is a recent graduate of the US Merchant Marine Academy, and the only place that he could find a job on a US Flagged ship was one of the NSC ships.
Union greed?
Tell that to the 10’s of thousands non union workers in the South whose jobs were sent overseas.
Jobs that paid $7-$8 an hour.
As for the foreign flagged ships…most freighters have crews of 12-24 people. The ships were foreign flagged to avoid taxes.
Work for $7 an hour and the welfare crowd lives better than you do.
You solve the welfare problem by giving workers a better standard of living than the welfare crowd.
Ralph
As usual, Ralph, you are not listening. I said the greed of the union bosses.
But steve you’re not listening to Ralph–he’s pointing out that non-union jobs get sent overseas too–jobs that paid 7 bucks an hour, no “greedy union boss” in sight.