Large Scale Central

An experiment in porting for better sound

The thing that’s missing in large scale sound is bass frequencies–small speaker, small enclosure equals weak bass. It’s the law of physics. To improve bass response in small enclosures like bookshelf speakers or table radios, speaker designers generally go with a ported cabinet–a cabinet with a small hole in it. In the hole is typically a cardboard tube, say 1 inch in dia. x 2 in length. The port is usually “tuned” to emphasize certain frequencies, by adjusting the length and the diameter. There are standard parameters for doing this. But the basic principle is if you want small and loud with good bass response, you go with a ported speaker. I know this not as a speaker designer, but as a semi-pro bass player So large scale sound–you have small enclosures and small speakers. Why not port the enclosure? So I did–I recently installed a QSI soundcard in an Aristo Pacific. I put the speaker in the loco up by the smokebox, under the boiler shell, and then put a port in by drilling through the backhead and the back wall of the boiler shell. (I know, but I had already drilled a hole through the backhead for an aristo code set switch, so I just made it bigger.) Then I put a piece of scrap brass tube about 1/2 by 2 though the hole and hot glued it in place

"img> Here’s a sound comparison. For the first clip, I plugged up the hole with tape, so this is the sound with no port http://chnm.gmu.edu/courses/magic/westover/plugged.mp3 For the second clip, I opened the port http://chnm.gmu.edu/courses/magic/westover/ported.mp3 These are downsized mp3s, so some of the difference has been lost, but to my ears the ported cab is much much better. It’s hard to tell on small speakers and mp3, but it seems apparent to me. Try listening to it with a decent pair of headphones. If anyone is interested, I can post the full size .aiff file

Great job Mike! You can CLEARLY hear the difference!!

Raymond

Nice work. Takes up a lot less room than my solution…

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Mike
What sound card do you have in there? I also have a 4-6-2 pacific that is 18 years old and the sound is in the coal tender and I hate the sound and it has no whistle. I take it your sound is in the engine.

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Jason, take a look here for a complete discussion of the subject. There are a lot of good ideas, there.

Hey Jason

I have a QSI soundcard in the Pacfic, and I put the speaker in the engine as well. If yuo take the boiler shell off Up at the front, by the smokebox, there is a hole that goes right down to the track. I cut away some of the weight that’s in there and the speaker fit nicely.

http://www.aristocraft.com/vbulletinforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3155&d=1217727075

It’s Phoenix sound’s 2 5/8 speaker SP-2.5SQ: 824-660, Which you can see on their website

http://www.phoenixsound.com/products/speaker.html

i just installed the same speaker in an Aristo Mikado, same process, with a longer and wider port. The results were similar.

I was surprised how much more I liked it having the sound come from the engine, rather than the tender. It just seems better integrated

Mike,

I guess I’m going to have to go back a re-read the other thread.

Do you have the sound card installed in the tender, or in the boiler?

Is there a “port” between the speaker and the hole that goes right down to the track?

How does the brass port tube come into play.

How many wires do you have connecting the lockie with the tender?

What sort of electrical connector do you have between the lockie and the tender?

If I send my two McArthurs and one Mallet to you, would you hook me up? Just kidding. Even as ham-handed as I am, I think I can do it. It’s the figuring out that stumps me. Too many conflicting ideas, all of which have merit.

You don’t have to re-answer, just point me to the relevant parts of the previous discussion.

Thanks,

Steve

I often “steal” speakers from the speaker cabinets that came with old computers. I have a lot of them, so I plug them in to my PC and select the best sounding ones.

The better ones have s base port molded into the cabinet. The diameter of the INSIDE end of the port is critical. Also, the opening at that inside end is usually placed as close to the center of the cabinet as practical. If possible, choose a cabinet that has the same volume (cubic inches) as the tender or boiler. On a few occasions, I was able to simply cut the base port out of the plastic speaker cabinet and glue it over a hole in the bottom of the tender.

Base ports can be “tuned” but if you just look at the one that came in the donor speaker cabinet and steal it, or duplicate it, you will get good results. Sometimes, if you just cut a hole, or inset a tube, you can make the speaker sound worse.

Steve:

The soundcard and the speaker are in the the loco. The QSI soundcard plugs into the Aristo DCC socket, and I managed to install the speaker in the front of the loco, u near the smokebox. I did it on an Aristo Pacific and an Aristo Mikado.

The Pacific and the Mikado have a hole that goes right down to the track. It’s like a 2 inch opening. The port is a brass tube going through the backhead and into the boiler shell:

http://www.aristocraft.com/vbulletinforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3154&d=1217694406

This picture shows the port, with the boiler shell off

mike omalley said:
Steve:

The soundcard and the speaker are in the the loco. The QSI soundcard plugs into the Aristo DCC socket, and I managed to install the speaker in the front of the loco, u near the smokebox. I did it on an Aristo Pacific and an Aristo Mikado.

The Pacific and the Mikado have a hole that goes right down to the track. It’s like a 2 inch opening. The port is a brass tube going through the backhead and into the boiler shell:

http://www.aristocraft.com/vbulletinforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3154&d=1217694406

This picture shows the port, with the boiler shell off


Ahh, that’s how you did it. I was still of the mindset that the soundcard was in the tender. I gotta keep up.