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A Really Neat Engine the Beyer Garratt

This Christmas I received a nice train book “The Encyclopedia of Trains and Locomotives” and flipping through it I came across a really neat looking loco the Beyer Garrett articulated. Wow what a really unique design. Articulated for tight track, free steaming for power, the weight was distributed over several drivers allowing for better traction and less load on the rail. The smallest types were 0-6-0 + 0-6-0 and the largest were 4-8-4 + 4-8-4. These Beyer Garrett types were British by design and were used all over Europe, Africa, Russia and Australia but they never caught on here in the US and I wonder why? I might have to read more to find out why. The engine was tested against a mogul and the Garrett was faster and used less fuel.

Of course being impressed with this engine I wondered if it was ever produced for G scale and sure enough I found one on Ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/290833128375?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

What a crazy price! and a non flattering colour but there it is.

has anyone ever scratch built one of these? I bet a Bachmann Baldwin 2-6-6-2 would make a nice starting point.

a pretty cool locomotive.

Aster produced a brass unit for LGB years ago. Different than that one on ebay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGWUlwKRqwY

One of the greatest advantages of the Beyer-Garratt design was that it was very user-friendly to track. The boiler being slung between the two engines meant that the mass of the boiler was ‘inside’ the curve of the track, rather than outside, as with the larger US locomotives like any of their articulated designs. It was also possible to have a lower overall height than the other kind of articulated loco where the boiler sat on top of the frames and wheels. Sadly, by the time that the Beyer-Garratt design had proved itself, the USA had already moved on into the Mallet and other articulated designs, and it was overlooked.

Note also that the Beyer-Garrat was built in German by Henschel as well as in France and Belgium [Cockerill], and used extensively in North Africa on Algerian and Moroccan railroads. The French-built versions with their Cossart valve gear where engineering marvels.

I have an AccuCraft SAR narrow gauge live-steamer - a very popular model here and in the USA - see it in action on YouTube - tac’s trains - Garratt. Here in UK we have a couple of guys who build them in 16mm scale for coal-firing. The Aster model, recently made in yet another run, is the New South Wales Government loco in preservation, nd is one of the largest ever built. There are still a few in Southern Africa, too, both standard gauge as well as Cape gauge [3ft 6in].

Your comment about them only being built from 0-6-0+0-6-0 however is incorrect. The ORIGINAL K1 class Beyer-Garratt - yes, the very actual one itself - is an 04-0+0-4-0 and is running in preservation on the Welsh Highland Railway, having been brought back from the dead in its Tasmanian home and come back to UK for a happy revitalisation to the delight of us all.

Don’t overlook the OTHER similar-but-not-quite designs by Meyer and Kitson-Meyer - to be found in South America on narrow gauge lines around the Andes and central Argentina/Chile - Ferrocarriles de Peru had a number of them - Magnus made a model for LGB back in the early '80’s for around $5000 or so.

Here in North Wales is the largest collection of working narrow gauge Garratts on earth - the Welsh Highland Railway’s four ex-Sandstone/ACR - some of which. Again, Youtube is your friend here - you might even see mrs tac and me last year riding from Caernarvon to Porthmadog! There are a couple on the old line in South Africa - see Sandstone Garratts on YouTube.

Here in UK the LMS had about twenty of them for long coal trains - 2-6-0+0-6-2, and the LNER had just one - a 2-8-0+0-8-2. The LMS locos had a rotating coal bunker to make life easier [huh] but the LNER version did not - my former RAF Warrant Officer’s dad was the last fireman on that loco and it nigh-on killed him off before his time.

tac

John that is one good looking loco you got there.
Tac Thanks for the info. They certainly are interesting engines. I had a look on youtube and there are alot of videos from all over featuring them.
Here is a quick one for those of you that don’t know what we are talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lglIMCqb9TY

Great video!!! Where was is filmed at?

On the Trans-Limpopo Steam excursion back in 1991 - in the Republic of South Africa [Sarth Effricah].

tac

I seen (in photos) many scratch-built or kitbashed Garratts, in various scales. Some folks have even built “Americanized” versions, based on “what if…” speculation. I’ve thought about doing that myself someday.

Ray Dunakin said:
I seen (in photos) many scratch-built or kitbashed Garratts, in various scales. Some folks have even built "Americanized" versions, based on "what if..." speculation. I've thought about doing that myself someday.
[b]An "Americanized" Garratt[/b]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vZLZFOTo2o[/youtube]

And it is even Large Scale!

An American interpretation of the Garratt theme - two LGB Porters & Phoenix sound system - built by Douglas A. Archer of Irvine, California (Douglas A. Archer).

(http://users.powernet.co.uk/hamilton/bgpix/PorterGarratt.jpg)

The big brother of the Porter Garratt - built by Douglas A. Archer of Irvine, California (Douglas A. Archer)

(http://users.powernet.co.uk/hamilton/bgpix/daarcher.jpg)

[b]For those of you who like to burn your fingers… Colin Edwards used a Locobox running gear with a Cheddar Models “Puffin” power plant on top making it a vertical boiler Garratt, “it doesn’t look pretty but it runs very well”. (Colin Edwards)

(http://users.powernet.co.uk/hamilton/bgpix/ce02.jpg)

The three photos above are from the Non-Commercial Garratt Website[/b]

Here in yUK, David Buckingham has built a VERY fine US-style B-G using two Bachmann Annies and TWO Phoenis sound systems. I’ll see if I can find a few pics for ya.

tac

Steve Featherkile said:
Ray Dunakin said:
I seen (in photos) many scratch-built or kitbashed Garratts, in various scales. Some folks have even built "Americanized" versions, based on "what if..." speculation. I've thought about doing that myself someday.
[b]An "Americanized" Garratt[/b]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vZLZFOTo2o[/youtube]

And it is even Large Scale!


V. fine imaginatised Garratt, truly a stylish piece of locomotion! I love the observation cars, too.

tac

Here in South Australia we had a lot of Beyer=Garretts running on our 3’6" country network. A couple have been preserved. Do a Google for beyer garratt south australia, lots of pix and info.

As a reminder, - here is my AccuCraft live-steamer in action a while back…it now sports nameplates honouring the designer of the model - the late Donald Pearse CME.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73u6gVxbBc4

Turn the sound up!

tac

Nice photos and videos guys. Thanks now I’m getting an itch to have one of these odd looking but beautiful beasts! I’d have to build one due to the prices of the ready to runs but hey I do need another project for a rainy day… like I don’t already have too many. LOL

Seriously, nice photos and videos.
Todd

Anyone got a couple of the Connie chassis’s they could spare? I’m already designing the basis for an EBT-ish based 2-8-0+0-8-2 unit for use on the East Broad Top’s narrow gauge coal line.