Large Scale Central

1/32 scale (not for the Napolean inflicted)

So let’s have your input on how you feel about this “smaller scale”. Maybe it will help clear the air.
I’m not sure why guys would prefer a scale closer to 1/20th and then reply that they can’t run larger equipment because it doesn’t look right on their layout? (We should have a separate post about a certain company to keep the topic centered?) Seems to be some harbored feelings that need sharing?

Wouldn’t this be a good scale? Couldn’t you run larger engines in this smaller scale?

Maybe it’s not a good value for the money because it’s smaller?

Too late to the market? (bought already established manufacturers of larger equipment?)

Oh this should be interesting… How long tell Bob gets the lock out? :wink:

To answer you questions;

No, maybe, does it matter?, Yep!

You do realize that AML is making equipment in 1:29 not 1:32. It’s Accucraft that makes the 1:32 equipment… So I’m not sure I understand your sig? You mention a 1:32 company and a 1:29 company in the same sentence…

Don’t know how long? it should not get to that point? BUT HEY, threads get cut all the time I guess. hopefully will keep things easier for Bob to separate them?

I think the problem with 1/32 is structures, vehicles and accessories.
The 1/24 buildings dwarf the 1/32 trains.
They’re a little big for 1/29th also, but look better.
Also, a little small for 1/20.3. But again, they don’t look too bad.
Ralph

I did collect a box full of 1/32 scale cars and trucks. No buildings. Some acc.

For me, I’m going to scratch build most everything because there isn’t the type of larger RR facilities I’m after. Picking which scale to build them in, should be fun!

One of the downfalls I see with 1:32 is that it’s really close to 1:48… If I wanted a smaller train for more room why not abandon 1:32 and go for 1:48? Then you could fit much more in the same space. Similar argument why people choose N over HO…

Hmmm, there seems to be a widespread fear of going smaller. I’ve seen layout’s with a 1/29 diesel running on a loop and a 1/20 somethin’ steamer running on another. That was accepted. I hear a lot of un-acceptance with 1/32 even near a 1/29 train, and that’s where the title came from.

PS: I do run both scales together. I thought Accucraft owned AML?? I drool over an Accucraft Allegheny. I just got my first AML piece. So, it’s a welcome statement from me. I like USA and Aristo products very much and own a bunch of each.
I couldn’t make the signature too long with all my favorites or it might get ignored. and that’s a joke.

Precisely. One of the things I told the MTH worker bee all those years ago. Yes, it’s the correct scale for the gauge, but it doesn’t have the triple Half Zero Polk Wow Factor.
And you’re stuck with the abomination of a control system. Yeah, the new stuff is coming out that is dcc compatible (finally), but you get to buy it.
And, you never know if Mikey is going to run off and make something else and leave 1:32 in the lurch.
Not a confidence builder.
TOC

Hi Guys:

Previously someone posted a photo of three yellow Union Pacific cabooses in line

1:29 1:32 1:48

As Craig mentions the 1:32 caboose was close in size to the 1:48 caboose.

Numerically, I do not understand why that is but there it is. I mean 1:32 is far closer to 1:29 than to 1:48 but yet the physical 1:32 caboose model was far closer in size to 1:48 than to 1:29 . Strange.

The MTH Hudson looked OK with the Aristo Craft 1:29 heavyweights.

The MTH Daylight was dwarfed by the USA TRAINS 1:29 heavyweights.

Given the present market, I do not understand why MTH does not simply produce 1:29 locos.

Norman

Joe Paonessa said:

I thought Accucraft owned AML??

Yes Accucraft does own AML, but from what I know its ran as a completely different company. You could compare it to Chevy/GMC but those are both 1:1, not 1:1 and 1:2…

Norman Bourgault said:

Hi Guys:

Previously someone posted a photo of three yellow Union Pacific cabooses in line

1:29 1:32 1:48

As Craig mentions the 1:32 caboose was close in size to the 1:48 caboose.

Numerically, I do not understand why that is but there it is. I mean 1:32 is far closer to 1:29 than to 1:48 but yet the physical 1:32 caboose model was far closer in size to 1:48 than to 1:29 . Strange.

The MTH Hudson looked OK with the Aristo Craft 1:29 heavyweights.

The MTH Daylight was dwarfed by the USA TRAINS 1:29 heavyweights.

Given the present market, I do not understand why MTH does not simply produce 1:29 locos.

Norman

Norman,

Not sure why it looks the way it does, but it does. Strange huh? MTH wanted the proper scale for gauge 1 so they went with 1:32… So for them to go full reverse and start 1:29 would admit failure. One of the funniest things I saw while working at a LHS was a MTH, USAT, and LGB locos all sitting next to each other on Gauge 1 track. The owner quickly figured out if he wanted to sell any of the three they needed different sections…

This whole nonsense started when I asked a simple question regarding why Mike chose to manufacture a Dash-8. I pondered that same question years earlier when he did the same thing in 0 gauge. Its not like they were a hugely popular or successful locomotive. They were only in production for 4.5 years, from late 87 to early 92, and were ordered by just a handful of railroads. They were replaced in 92 by the Dash-9, which has been wildly successful.

So, I ask again, why the Dash-8? I could understand if the design process by MTH was done and finalized while the Dash-8 was in service, and MTH was snookered, but given Mike’s business acumen, that really doesn’t wash…

It is a puzzlement.

My thoughts about 1:32 are… Might as well go 0 gauge.

…I’m not sure why guys would prefer a scale closer to 1/20th and then reply that they can’t run larger equipment because it doesn’t look right on their layout? …

It does seem an odd paradox. But it’s a matter of aesthetic balance between the train itself and the environment in which it’s running. I like the overall size of the 1:20 stuff; that when I compare the model I just built to a photo of the prototype, the rails are the same distance apart relative to the car in both instances. It’s on that level that 1:20.3 appeals to me, since I’m modeling a specific prototype and have lots of photos of their equipment.

You have to contrast that with the overall environment of the railroad on which the models run. On my railroad, any train longer than 7 or 8 cars looks too “long” for the scenes on my railroad. Each town is its own “theater set.” These sets are spaces only so far apart, and the train needs to be able to leave one before entering the next. It’s what gives the railroad a greater sense of distance than what really exists in such a confined space. My passing sidings are really only good for 4 or 5 car trains, so when I roll into town with a K-27-sized loco, it takes up half the passing siding by itself, overpowering the depot and other scenic elements.

Take that same K-27 and 10 cars in tow out to a railroad that’s in a much more open environment like that at the Colorado RR Museum, and it looks much more apropos. So, that’s where I run all my “big” stuff. On the home rails, it’s the smaller locos and a mix of c. 1880s and 1910s equipment that gives me a sense of the narrow gauge proportions I love without physically overpowering the environment.


Back to the subject of 1:32, it’s just never caught on. Historically, a handful of companies have tried, but the sales were just not there. People talk of the “Wow factor” when it comes to outdoor trains, and I think that has every bit to do with it. Heck, even Delton’s 1:24 stuff was noticeably-enough smaller than LGB. You could make a strong argument for that playing heavily into their relative lack of success in the large scale market, despite having–in my opinion–a better-looking product.

People get used to a particular size of trains running on the track, and anything smaller than that somehow isn’t the same. My dad’s railroad is all 1:22/1:24 stuff, and while I’m used to it running in that environment (the 1:20 stuff just looks out-of-place on his line), the models by themselves seem somewhat lilliputian compared to mine.

Yeah, it’s all in the mind, but the mind is where our perceptions of what looks “right” and “wrong” is shaped. I’ve seen photos of some very well-done 1:32 railroads that look pretty close to spot-on perfect. When I’ve seen 1:32 railroads in the flesh, the trains always look small to me. It’s all in what we’re used to seeing.

Later,

K

Well, how about for a new person that’s entering the hobby then? How about a company that offers a complete loco in 1/32 scale. It’s already got sound, smoke, lights, and control pkg inside at a reasonable price. It doesn’t need to be modified or have optional add-ons. Why can’t a new person consider it without established RR owners blasting them for considering a different scale?

Isn’t that where the statement of small and close to O gauge really comes from? To me, 1/32 is not even close to 1/48. It’s more like comparing HO to N to me.

Like I said before, I like the size and it coming with good sound/control really adds to the package.

Joe, you are awfully defensive. You asked questions, and got honest answers. You didn’t like the answers that you got, and so you consider that to be bashing. It is not.

I have no interest in 1/32 because of its size. Too small. I like the look of bigger stuff. Even if its 1/22 or 1/24 scale. Narrow gauge at 1/32 scale won’t look good. At that point you would be better off going to 16mm. If I had stay with g scale track then 1:22-24 is the best bang for the buck and still looks large.

Well, how about for a new person that’s entering the hobby then? How about a company that offers a complete loco in 1/32 scale. It’s already got sound, smoke, lights, and control pkg inside at a reasonable price. It doesn’t need to be modified or have optional add-ons. Why can’t a new person consider it without established RR owners blasting them for considering a different scale?

No reason why not. 1:32 is very popular with the live steam crowd. Trouble is, in the US, that’s about as far as its popularity extends. For whatever reason, it’s just never gained a foothold beyond that. For someone just coming into the hobby who hasn’t seen much else, I can’t see why they wouldn’t be impressed with the 1:32 stuff–it certainly has a strong following in the UK and that side of the world.

But then it comes down to a choice of variety. There’s just not a lot of choices for equipment compared to the other scales. If you’re intent on modeling XYZ railroad during the 19whenevers, then you may find the available models don’t allow you to do that.

Nothing inherently “bad” about it, it’s just the way it is. It’s similar to modeling an obscure railroad even in an established scale. You may get a bone thrown your way once in a while, but for the most part, you’re going to have to do some kitbashing of existing models to get models that match your prototype. It’s merely a choice we make as modelers–whether the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

Later,

K

Joe Paonessa said:

How about a company that offers a complete loco in 1/32 scale. It’s already got sound, smoke, lights, and control pkg inside at a reasonable price. It doesn’t need to be modified or have optional add-ons.

If that locomotive was offered in 1:29 (because that’s what I model) I still wouldn’t buy it.

Have you ever considered that some people consider these add-ons as a draw back? I’m going to gut my locomotive out and replace it with the control system of my choice period. I could care less of it comes from the factory with smoke, sound, and a control package… It’s all getting ripped out. So I’d rather see a bare bones locomotive. Motors, lights, and that’s it.

Ever wonder why some people buy stuff second hand? Because it’s cheaper and normally it’s ‘missing’ electronics so some people think it’s broken so they want to get rid of it ASAP…

Craig Townsend said:

Joe Paonessa said:

How about a company that offers a complete loco in 1/32 scale. It’s already got sound, smoke, lights, and control pkg inside at a reasonable price. It doesn’t need to be modified or have optional add-ons.

If that locomotive was offered in 1:29 (because that’s what I model) I still wouldn’t buy it.

Have you ever considered that some people consider these add-ons as a draw back? I’m going to gut my locomotive out and replace it with the control system of my choice period. I could care less of it comes from the factory with smoke, sound, and a control package… It’s all getting ripped out. So I’d rather see a bare bones locomotive. Motors, lights, and that’s it.

Ever wonder why some people buy stuff second hand? Because it’s cheaper and normally it’s ‘missing’ electronics so some people think it’s broken so they want to get rid of it ASAP…

Yeap, me too! I bought 3, 1/29 locos that were in need of something. I will buy any of the MTH boards (good ones) that you may tear out.
One thing about G scale in general, every person that I talk with seems to be going in a different direction with different wants. It’s OK to me. It seems like it’s just hated by others that they don’t get what they want. Their post seem tainted by this fact. Me too, at times.