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Whoooooooo.......I'm in somebody's bad books now

Geez Tac, my signature must have really gotten under your skin for you to take that this far. If I’m the one with thin skin then why are you pushing the issue all over these forums? I think it’s ironic that you feel sorry for me. I don’t. But I ought to feel sorry for you begrudging me enough to bring some personal business that happened on Mylargescale.com mostly via private messages over to LSC. Let me address for a moment the problematic threads caused by people on this forum about politics, religious beliefs, and pathetically enough in this day and age, racism. These threads have upset many people, but due to ‘freedom of speech’ , people can say what they want. Well Tac, that includes me. My signature says nothing at all about my sexuality personally. You can equate me however you wish, I don’t mind one way or the other.
Running away from MLS to get support here is just silly. Those of you here defending Tac, it is very thoughtful seeing how loyal you are to your friend, but get the facts and hear both sides of the story before judging me. Many of you have summed me up before even knowing what my signature indeed said. It is pretty hypocritical that some folks can make mention their wife and kids repeatedly but how dare someone have a signature that implies that they might be gay. And having said that Tac, you ‘flaunt’ being Irish-Jewish all the time, yet you don’t seem to worry about offending someone that might hate Jewish people. There are many holes in peoples’ political bouts. People only want policy that benefits them, and when it helps another and not them, they stand against it. Put yourselves in another’s shoes once in a while. Try to understand for a second the struggles of others. People are just as greedy in politics as they are in finance.

 "If I were to place my tag line as 'Proud to be Hetero-sexual',  then I would be branded by the gay community as being critical of homosexuality.  However,  if a gay member writes a gay-oriented tag line,  then it is seemingly OK and to criticise his choice of tag line is unconstitutional as one is not allowed to discriminate on matters of race, creed and sexuality.  How come he has constitutional rights and I do not?" -Tim Brien

 Tim I find this part very humorous in many ways.  The constitution does not protect gays any more than it protects a piece of grass from being stepped on.  If a gay person is hospitalized, their wife or husband (oh wait, marriage is not recognized or legal), excuse me, their 'partner' has no legal right to get in to see them.  It is still legal to discriminate against gays in many ways, the only difference is now it's not without a fight.  Before, it was uncontested because so many people were afraid to be open and those who weren't usually got beaten within inches of their lives, if not killed.
 At this point I realize that all I am doing is inviting a bunch of anti-gay politics as I am the only person on this side of the scale, but for every action, there is an opposite and equal reaction.  I'm not here to fight with anyone.  Everyone is entitled to their opinion, so am I.  One day I was running a train back to Nashville and the train that was following us hit a 14 year old boy.  I was pretty sad about that, but was even sadder when I found out that the boy had just been kicked out of his house by his parents for telling them he was gay, and none of his friends would take him in for the same reason, so he killed himself in front of a train.  What a waste of life due to the fact that the people who stand up to defend gays are few and far between.
 Noone naturally hates gay people from birth.  They are influenced so by the people they care for, peers, religion, and the propensity people have for sticking to the crowd.  I don't pass judgment on that because I want people to like me too.  I think everyone does.  Heterosexuals don't need protection from discrimination generally because they are the majority.  Now, to offer a curve ball into the equation.  I knew a gay person who had been picked on his whole life because, let's face it, this guy was just more effeminate than Whoopi Goldberg.  Hmmm, wait, bad example.  Ok, anyways...  This guy was talking to a friend about heterosexuals all being hypocrites, bigots, and generally bad people.  I intervened and asked him if any heterosexual ever came to his defense.  He responded "Well, yes...".  At this point I reminded him that he just lumped all heterosexual people as small-minded lemmings who lived to despise, hurt, and kill homosexuals.  In doing so he just shamed those who have protected him and that was every bit as wrong as him being lumped into what people saw him as.  Two wrongs don't make a right, ever....  
 I am well aware of general concensus concerning the struggles for equality.  People against gays feel that a law that is passed to make a gay person's life easier is a wasted effort because it helps them in no way.  They don't understand why a gay person should have a law specific to them when they didn't get one of equal value.  They view this process as unfair, unjust, and hatred ensues suggesting that these people are whining for civil rights.  The reality is...  most adults are just kids with frailer bodies who decide these things.  They do not understand that minorities need safety nets in their lives because they are at much greater risk of failing in society, employment, or office.  The sad thing is that there have to be laws in place to force protection on them in the first place as your average Joe won't treat them well of his own accord.
 I've honestly said all I really need to say at this point.  I hope my response is more educational than it is angering to people, but that is for each individual to decide.  Tac, I really hope you can get past this someday.  I bear you no ill will, not now, not ever.  Thanks for reading.

-Will

Will,
Things have changed here. Bob has some new rules.
From your ECLIST post at MLS “Shad are you going to make us some nifty MLS name tags so we can LOL at the LSC name tags?”
As you say, two wrongs don’t make a right.
Sometimes we all need a good look in the mirror.
I have no hard feelings. Hope you don’t either.
Ralph

None whatsoever Ralph, thanks for doing your homework. It is public knowledge that people specific to both sites hate each other or are biased toward one site or the other. It was a knock to those people and Shad knew that. If I had any problem with LSC I wouldn’t be here. Bob, sorry for breaking a rule. It was not my intent and it was not a knock to your site. Going to have to go find something else Ralph, good luck. No hard feelings ^^

-Will

Will, it is my opinion that I don’t think you have broken any LSC rules.
That posting was not political or religious. Nor did it slam anyone.

Will Weller said:
Running away from MLS to get support here is just silly. Tac, I really hope you can get past this someday. I bear you no ill will, not now, not ever. Will
Dear Mr Weller - please check a. my thread count, and b. the date I joined in here.

There is absolutely no reason why I should ‘get past this someday’. Just as you are the way you are, so I am the way I am, and I’m not about to change my opinion that proselytising alternative sexual mores on a model train forum is out of place. In doing so I’m simply expressing, as you are, my right to an opinion, but in my case, without a raft of anecdotes, tear-jerking little ditties or just plain-speakin’ homey advice to us ‘ordinary’ folks.

Your personal ‘orientation’ is not the consideration here, but you can bet that if I was to post my signature line as ‘boldly tri-sexual necrophiliac’ on a model train forum then that would attract the attention it was asking for in the same way as posting your declamatory signature line has done for you. I rather imagine that posting a signature line on a gay forum - ‘I love large-scale trains!!!’ would generate an equal amount of headscratching.

Well, today I’m a day nearer dying than I was yesterday, having started out just over 63 years ago, managing to stumble along pretty well so far without your ‘will’, for good or for ill.

Let’s leave it at that.

tac

I think I will give myself a signature line ------Non " sexual deviant "

Mike M

Will Weller said:
It is public knowledge that people specific to both sites hate each other or are biased toward one site or the other. ^^

-Will


I have no hate for anyone at MLS. I frequent this site because I was comfortable here and don’t have the time to spend at a multitude of sites.
I mentioned the new rules in response to your free speech comment. I was not implying that you broke the rules.
You have to decide if you are going to simply live your life or be an advocate. Your signature line implies you have chosen to be an advocate.
As an advocate one should expect to hear from those with opposing views.
Ralph

I was perfectly willing to ‘leave it at that’ a while ago when you sent me the last private message and got no response from me, apparently that is not enough. I don’t know why you can’t accept that I have a differing opinion than you and let sleeping dogs lie. You are going this far out of your way for this and you are 63 years old??? That absolutely floors me. I thought I was debating with a lad in his 20’s, but 63? That makes me less than half your age? That really is sad Terry. I have many railfan friends in their 60’s and beyond and you hold no candle to their integrity, dignity, intelligence, and good old-fashioned respect. These are true elders of today and I respect them as such. You are ‘a day nearer dying’ and what have you learned? That it is necessary to use your opinion as a cudgel and chase me all over these forums hoping and praying that I will change my viewpoint? What you don’t like about me has nothing to do with me Terry, but everything to do with you. Only a man with a life so miserable finds it necessary to go out of his way to try to tarnish the integrity of another. I am amazed that you have nothing more constructive to do with your time than this. Christ… enjoy your retirement, go take a walk, get the hell away from your computer, take your wife out on a date, tell her how wonderful she is for putting up with you, give her flowers, make love to her (if that is an option), call up your kids, tell them you love them and make sure they are alright, play with your grandchildren, show them your trains, go to a local park and feed the ducks and geese, buy a dog or a cat, go for a bike ride, go run some trains for god’s sake… Stop focussing on me and giving me so much spotlight. Hell, you gave my signature more fame than I ever could/would have. All you have done is justified my signature. I feel bad for stooping this low. I sure hope you find peace in your life someday, otherwise you missed the whole point…

-Will

p.s. - Thanks for the support Tony, I appreciate it.

OK , let’s cut the crap .
I got raped by one of your deviant mates 64 years ago and have had to live with it ever since .
You try to make yourselves seem normal by coyly hijacking the word "gay " .
You have a lot of learning to do , pal . I hope you grow up before you grow old .
Meantime , do not be offensive by advertising your creed .

Mike M

I’m used to hearing from people with opposing views Ralph. I don’t expect anyone to side with me. This has all spawned because someone couldn’t stand the fact that I won’t side with them. I certainly do live my life. I am an advocate when and where I deem it necessary. To put it another way… I have no problem standing my ground or standing up for others. I’m not a bad guy as Tac suggests. I’m a pretty live-and-let-live kind of guy. If I have an opinion I feel is worth sharing, I share it. I don’t troll around on forums trying to instigate trouble, antagonize others, and the likes. When I am attacked, I will stand up for myself. The one thing I will say for Tac is that he has delivered everything honestly. He has not made anything up. I have to respect him for that. I don’t have to respect him for going public with exchanges that took place on a different forum. I thought when he sent me the last private message full of opinions on the UK vs USA, to fighting in the war, to his ethnic and religious background, to everything under the sun that didn’t seem to pertain to the situation at hand… by not responding, I figured that would be the end of it. Sometimes it takes a bigger man to just walk away, so I did just that. I didn’t start this and I won’t be the one to finish it, Tac will see to that. But it isn’t fair for him to write a thread about me and try to garner all kinds of support without me stating my side of things. I am whatever you want me to be. If you think I am a good guy then I am a good guy, If you think I am a bad guy then I am a bad guy. But I should have at least a little bit of say-so in how I am portrayed by Tac. We could go on forever until we both end up rehashing the same old quotes, opinions, bible verses, examples, etc. I am certainly not willing to go that far over this but thought it was only fair to balance the scales a bit.

-Will

I don’t have to Mike, you do it for me. I’m sorry for what happened to you and you are free to blame whomever you wish, I won’t stop you. I know that it always is someone else’s fault, then it isn’t just them but the people they associate with, and not just them but every last one of the people who look like them, the whole race/creed/culture. Wow, that sounds so resemblingly familiar to a term known as discrimination. Practice what you preach Mike, 64+ years ago tells me all I need to know.

"You have a lot of learning to do , pal . I hope you grow up before you grow old . " -Mike Morgan

Thank you for addressing the whole point of my signature. I never need to advocate a thing when there are people like you to do it for me by way of example.

Will,
I have to wonder about your motives when you rehash something from months ago THAT WAS LONG FORGOTTEN.
This will lead to nothing positive.
Obviously your signature brings with it some controversy. So it is up to you whether you choose the path of peace, or controversy.
Ralph

You said “someone else’s fault” the very excuse that the old perv gave–I , apparently , led him on . Nine years old and still at the giggling about girls stage , not even sure what my Dad meant when he said there were funny men about .
As for your extremely ageist comment about me , you are fast descending into the mire you so obviously delight in .
Going through life defending your obvious illness , you have picked up ways of using ambiguities to explain your own ambiguity .
It is rather pathetic really , mind you do not pick up other illnesses to spread around .

Mike M-----or to you , Mr Morgan

I’ll put an end to your wondering Ralph. I am here because I was just told about this thread yesterday and for the sake of my integrity, felt inclined to let Tac know I didn’t appreciate what he did but also to defend myself. You would most likely do the same Ralph, the only reason it is a problem is because you have already chosen a side before I even got here, just as your earliest post suggests. My responding to this thread is no more out of line than yours. You are giving a forgotten thread just as much attention current day as I am. I expected to get some friction from Tac’s forum buddies over sharing my side of the story, but at least I’ll know who they all are as they all come running to his aid. Heck, I’m all for the path of peace, but I’m not going to let people walk all over me or anyone else at the same time. You or anyone else can analyze my posts trying to undermine me or discover my motives to your heart’s content, at least there are some posts here now where people can decide for themselves what kind of person I am without taking Tac’s word for it. I’ll say what I need to say and that will be it. Read your signature aloud 10 times Ralph and think about what it really means. Is that what you would suggest I do? Nothing? I have as much of a right to defend myself as Tac has to attack me. People will decide whose side they are on based more on the topic than the people involved, that is normal. I’m not trying to run a campaign here, I’m just responding to a thread that called me out.

-Will

Ageist wouldn’t describe me in the least as most of my friends and people I care about are over the age of 50. I think I am more than justified in expecting more out of someone of 74 years of age however. When you respect me, you’ll find that you get it in return Mikey.

-Will

Will,
I stand by what I said. You have defended your position. This is now done.
So it is now up to you to choose the path of peace or controversy.
I have no desire to censor your signature. It is your right to choose.
The fact I don’t care for your signature does not mean I oppose your right to post it.
It does not mean I am against you.
It just means I recognize the fact that it causes controversy.
Ask yourself, is the controversy neccessary and is it doing anything positive for yourself or the forum?
Ralph

Maybe Bob should add “sex” to the list of verboten topics. This argument is as old as Sodom and Gomorrah and will not be resolved here. Who or what bodily excretion we wish to have sexual relations with is just too much “in your face” discussion.

Let it be.

David Hill said:
Maybe Bob should add "sex" to the list of verboten topics.

Let it be.


This is what I meant by '" This will lead to nothing positive".
We already have too many “verboten” topics.
Ralph

Look , dear ,
Ageist is what you are ; at least ageing is natural .
Expecting something better out of a 73 year old ? Whose life has been blighted by one of your sort ?
Perhaps I should recite the gory details of exactly what happened , and its immediate aftermath with the local doctors and police and so on . But that would get the lascivious among you and your type , slavering like the dirty bugger who did it .
No , my friend , you are unnatural , go and peddle your nasty ways elsewhere .

Mikey poos

DING! Enough.

Go read my “read this” rant. Off-topic is about to get closed if this keeps up. I’m sick and tired of hand holding supposed adults. I dont have TIME to deal with all this extra crap.