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VT Tragedy

I was teased, tripped, tormented and made fun of in school, rebuffed by the girls and generally made miserable by the same kinds of rich, popular, pretty people that this guy was… It certainly wasn’t much fun…still, I ain killt nobody yet… Something else was going on in this guy’s head. He needed help, and didn’t get it.

Still, I wonder if someone had bothered to reach out to this guy years ago instead of ridiculing him, whether the outcome might have been different. But kids are too often carelessly cruel and like a wolf pack turn on anyone who is perceived as “odd” or an “outsider”. Sadly, this “lone wolf”, for whatever misguided, delusional reasons decided it was OK to bite back, and took a lot of innocent lives along with his own. It will also probably make things worse for other “outsiders”, and, yes, innocent Koreans, because for a while, there will be too many who will look at them as “possible Cho’s”, rather than real people with their own real needs and wants.

Whenever human life becomes, in someone’s mind, worthless, these kind of things will happen. Our popular society doesn’t do much to embrace life as intrinsically valuable, either…too many shoot 'em up TV, movies and video games, too little ethics taught.

Just my 2c

Yeah…a few years ago I responded to an EMS call…The Highschool all star quarterback when I was in High School…

Sitting at the end of a bridge on a 33 degree night in his underwear, high as a kite…

How the Mighty Fall…

I remember once returning home to my barracks at the Camp Pendleton Naval Hospital, and seeing one of my former patients, a fellow named… it doesn’t matter after all these years. I walked over to him to say “Howdy.” As I got closer, I noticed that he had a LARGE automatic pistol, something like a Glock, and was holding it on 2 other Marines. Because I was so close, I knew that I was in the stew, so to speak. On some level, without conscious thought, I knew that me coming into the picture changed the equation for the kid, so I just kept going as though I did not notice the pistol. Did I mention that it was HUGE?

I walked right up to him, grabbed the pistol and pushed his arm up. The two other Marines jumped on top of “us” and we all went to the ground. For a moment during the struggle, the pistol was pointed at my chest, and I thought, “This is going to hurt like h*ll.” Then the pistol was in my hands. I tried to “safe” the pistol, but couldn’t, so I gave it to one of the other two guys, telling him to “safe” it. That could have been a bad move, thinking back on it, but as it turned out, the other two were off duty MP’s.

All the adrenaline drained out of me when the guy I gave the pistol to shouted out, “S***, this thing is plastic!”

That former patient seemed like such a nice kid.

You just can’t tell, sometimes.

I am shaking as I think back on this.

Bart Salmons said:
Yeah......a few years ago I responded to an EMS call........The Highschool all star quarterback when I was in High School........

Sitting at the end of a bridge on a 33 degree night in his underwear, high as a kite…

How the Mighty Fall…


Bart,

Yes, the might do fall, but one has to wonder what kind of demons it took to drag him down.

There but for the Grace of G-d, go I.

SteveF

The real issue is that political correctness will bring this country down…

Cho was CRAZY…but the professors couldn’t say that because he might be offended.

Cho was CRAZY… but the administration couldn’t say that because he might be offended and they would get sued.

Cho was CRAZY … Several times he underwent psychiatric treatment… but they couldn’t pass this onto cops because medical records are private…and might be used to deny…um…say…the purchase of a firearm

Cho was CRAZY…but the students couldn’t say that since they would be accused of being judgemental and mean spirited and not warm and fuzzy.

All of the Psycobabble is flowing forth…“He had Issues” …“He was a loner”… “he had health problems…Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah”… Nonsense… he was just flatass CRAZY

There are thousands of CRAZY Cho’s out there that need to be isolate from society…but we just have to accept CRAZIES…since we now bow down to political correctness.

Print this posting and refer to it the next time a CRAZY goes on a rampage.

I guess I’m just failure at warm and fuzzy’s and group hugs.

Tom

Tom Smith said:
The real issue is that political correctness will bring this country down..

Cho was CRAZY…but the professors couldn’t say that because he might be offended.

Cho was CRAZY… but the administration couldn’t say that because he might be offended and they would get sued.

Cho was CRAZY … Several times he underwent psychiatric treatment… but they couldn’t pass this onto cops because medical records are private…and might be used to deny…um…say…the purchase of a firearm

Cho was CRAZY…but the students couldn’t say that since they would be accused of being judgemental and mean spirited and not warm and fuzzy.

All of the Psycobabble is flowing forth…“He had Issues” …“He was a loner”… “he had health problems…Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah”… Nonsense… he was just flatass CRAZY

There are thousands of CRAZY Cho’s out there that need to be isolate from society…but we just have to accept CRAZIES…since we now bow down to political correctness.

Print this posting and refer to it the next time a CRAZY goes on a rampage.

I guess I’m just failure at warm and fuzzy’s and group hugs.

Tom


Indeed. I seem to have failed that course, too.

Granted, the conditions of the asylums where we warehoused our “crazies” were deplorable, but that was no cause to turn them out into the streets to go without their meds, and to starve. And to act out.

The crazy just did…at Johnson Space Center. One hostage dead, one freed, crazy dead. :frowning:

OK, so Cho may have been “crazy”, but by a lot of the accounts he was also treated like crap by classmates for years. “Warm fuzzy” be d#$@ed, that has nothing to do with it…basic human dignity does. Yes, Cho desperately needed help, he needed it 5-10 years ago… instead of the ridicule and torment by his peers that it seems he got instead. Yes, Cho’s actions were inexcusable, but he didn’t turn into what he became in a vacuum. I’ve walked in Cho’s shoes, it took me a long time to forgive those who tormented me in school. I still bear the scars deep inside.

I grieve for the victim’s families, and I grieve for Cho’s. I prayed for the victims, and I said a special prayer for Cho’s soul…he needed it.

Mik,

Cho was a psychopath. You become one of those early in life, usually by the age of 7 or 8. The teasing he got had little to do with what happened, it was just a convenient excuse. There is nothing his parents could have done, and nothing the mental health pros could have done, save admitting him to a psych ward and medicating him. He should not have been a candidate for release, ever. Yet, because of the “feel good, do-gooders,” he was allowed to walk our streets. And the results were…

Most of us, at one time or another, were on the receiving end of that sort of ridicule, yet none of us have “gone postal,” if you will excuse the phrase.

Sorry, I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree. His treatment at the hands of his peers, if nothing else, was a contributor for this, because HE felt it was. And unless YOU were the class “target”, you wouldn’t have ANY idea how destructive the constant criticism, tormenting, and ridicule is to a person’s self esteem, and pysche. The feeling of hurt, humiliation, and yes, anger take a LONG time to fade, if they do. You are right, most don’t go “postal”, but many suffer silently from things like chronic depression, chemical dependencies, and just plain old poor self worth. The effects can last a lifetime. If nothing else. think of it as another brick in the wall.

Psychopath? maybe. Or Autistic? …maybe that too. You guys are d4%@ed quick to judge someone you don’t know and never met…Why don’t you call the cops on me and have me put away too? I’m done with this thread

Mik said:
Sorry, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. His treatment at the hands of his peers, if nothing else, was a contributor for this, because HE felt it was. And unless YOU were the class "target", you wouldn't have ANY idea how destructive the constant criticism, tormenting, and ridicule is to a person's self esteem, and pysche. The feeling of hurt, humiliation, and yes, anger take a LONG time to fade, if they do. You are right, most don't go "postal", but many suffer silently from things like chronic depression, chemical dependencies, and just plain old poor self worth. The effects can last a lifetime. If nothing else. think of it as another brick in the wall.

Psychopath? maybe. Or Autistic? …maybe that too. You guys are d4%@ed quick to judge someone you don’t know and never met…Why don’t you call the cops on me and have me put away too? I’m done with this thread


Mik,

No one is judging you, no one is pointing fingers at you.

I felt I was the class “target” for a long time, and you are right, it took a long time to fade, but I was able to do get on with my life, once I realized that no one has the power to make me feel small, unless I give them permission to make me feel that way.

Don’t give them that permission.

Steve Featherkile said:
...................................... once I realized that no one has the power to make me feel small, unless I give them permission to make me feel that way.

Don’t give them that permission.


AMEN!

‘Battle of the Wolves’

A Cherokee elder was teaching his grandchildren about life.He said to them, 'A fight is going on inside me…It is a terrible fight, and it is between two wolves. One wolf represents fear, anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, pride and superiority.

The other wolf stands for joy, peace, love, hope, sharing, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, friendship, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. This same fight is going on inside of you and every other person too.’

They thought about it for a minute and then one child asked his grandfather, ‘Which wolf will win?’

The old Cherokee simply replied…‘The one I feed.’

"Forget any and all college affilliations today. For Today we are all Hokies HOKIES UNITED!!!

This is so true. I am a die hard Maryland Terrapin, but for a week I have been a Hokie. Having worked on the Maryland Campus for 30 years, I appreciate what a very special, unique place a college campus is. I was on the campus on Friday, and saw so much VT clothing I forgot where I was. Go Hokies!
Paul

Mik,

If your skin is that thin perhaps you should not participate in any of these threads!

Try growing up with a gay brother, I took a lot of beatings for him in Elemantry school, until the one where four guys had me cornered. Wrong thing to do, until a teacher could get there I had beat the living hell out of all four. Then their parents wanted me expelled because I was a bully. Once the teachers who had wittnesed the incident told the parents that their children wee being expelled or suspended for a week due to the fact that they were the aggressors and what they had been doing it was a different story.

One of those kids did not forgive me for standing up for myself unitl we were in High School, the other three are some of the closest friends that I have today.

High School was not that much of a picnic but with 8 elemantry schools feeding the high school my brother was lost in the shuffel and the crap subsided.

Do I harbor any ill feelings for any of these kids, NO! I do relish going to class reunions though to see how misrable some of thier lives are and how little they did with the good education that was provided in the Shenandoa Valley of Virgina School System where I was educated in my early years. And no I don’t rub it in, that would not be a proper thing to do, our Class Valadictorian drives a bread truck and may never be able to retire, he likes what he is doing and that is all that matters. One of the kids that was most at risk for droping out, is now the superintendat of Schools, somewhere in his last two years of High School he got his act together. He was in a worse situation that I, I can remember the day that he rode a motorcycle down one aisle and up another during an assembly in the school auditorium. All for attention!

Another kid that was kind of at risk is now a banker, and at one time was principal of an award winning state school for handicaped children, his dad drove a coal truck making home deliveries.

Its all in what you, yourself make of life. As Forest Gump says life is like a box of Chocolates, you never know what your going to get.

I am the father of an individual who has had some mental problems, he will tell you real quick that some of these individuals can bull shit a mental healt proffesional to no end. He agrees with Tom Cruise that these doctors are practicing a lot of Hookum, if the individual that they are working with does not want the help.

My son spent some time behind bars until he got a proper diagnoses and help, he then went back to school and earned both a degree and an electricians licence.

He is now in a good relationship with a lady who is 12 years younger that he is and she keeps him wore out. He can’t teach and is limited in jobs due to his escapades as a youth but he is a valued employee of the business that he works for and they send him all over the area to different stores due to his management abilities. At 38 he is happy and talking about going back to school again and studing engineering.

Life is what you make of it, and Cho was sick, and he could apparently work the mental health folks.

Myself I feel for his parents as they thought that they had this under control.

My anger is focused on the American Civil Liberties Union for the freeing of many of these individuals from the mental health hell holes that they were deposited in. INstead of working to make the conditions better they caused them to be put out on the streets with no treatment at all.

This is why many individuals are sleeping on heat grates in our cities and causing the problems that they do.

As a gun owner it also goes at the NRA for being so hungup on Rifles that have no value for hunting and on Hand guns that no one but a Law Enforcement Officer Should have. Then make the penalties for having one 10 Years no parole for the first offence and double them for each offence there after. I am one of those that dropped the NRA over 20 years ago for their stance. I am a combat veteran and these weapon have no value at all in the average individuals hands.

Radical? Hell yes but this country has gotten the rep of being violent and rightfully so.

nevermind

“The trouble with gun control laws is they target the law abiding. ‘If you disarm good people but not the criminals, instead of making things safe for the potential victims you may unintentionally make them safe for the criminals,’ said Dr. John Lott, coauthor of a massive study on guns and crime… Both crime rates and shooting deaths have declined in most states which have adopted ‘concealed carry’ laws, says Dr. Lott. The decline in ‘multiple victim public shootings’ has been especially pronounced, he said. ‘Bill Landes of the University of Chicago law school and I examined multiple-victim public shootings in the U.S. from 1977 to 1999 and found that when states passed right-to-carry laws, the rate of multiple victim public shootings fell by 60 percent. Deaths and injuries from multiple victim public shootings fell even further, on average by 78 percent, as the remaining incidents tended to involve fewer victims per attack,’ Dr. Lott said… In applauding the defeat last year of a measure in the Virginia legislature to permit those with concealed carry permits to have a gun on campus, Associate Vice President Larry Hinckler said Virginia Tech’s strict gun control policy made students feel safer. But there is a difference between feeling safer and being safer, as Virginia Tech has learned to its sorrow.” —Jack Kelly

Very ironic, VT being a “Gun-Free Zone”…

Ken Brunt said:
“The trouble with gun control laws is they target the law abiding. ‘If you disarm good people but not the criminals, instead of making things safe for the potential victims you may unintentionally make them safe for the criminals,’ said Dr. John Lott, coauthor of a massive study on guns and crime… Both crime rates and shooting deaths have declined in most states which have adopted ‘concealed carry’ laws, says Dr. Lott. The decline in ‘multiple victim public shootings’ has been especially pronounced, he said. ‘Bill Landes of the University of Chicago law school and I examined multiple-victim public shootings in the U.S. from 1977 to 1999 and found that when states passed right-to-carry laws, the rate of multiple victim public shootings fell by 60 percent. Deaths and injuries from multiple victim public shootings fell even further, on average by 78 percent, as the remaining incidents tended to involve fewer victims per attack,’ Dr. Lott said… In applauding the defeat last year of a measure in the Virginia legislature to permit those with concealed carry permits to have a gun on campus, Associate Vice President Larry Hinckler said Virginia Tech’s strict gun control policy made students feel safer. But there is a difference between feeling safer and being safer, as Virginia Tech has learned to its sorrow.” —Jack Kelly Very ironic, VT being a “Gun-Free Zone”…

Can’t help but wonder how many of the anti-gun crowd would put one of these in their front window…