Large Scale Central

Trainworld staying home

Jake Smith said:

Were talking about discounting at a show, and I completely agree. But, isnt Trainworld discounting pretty drastically already? It would not make sense for them to discount further at a show. Discounting a discounted price = no profit

The last few times I was at ECLSTS, Trainworld had some smokin deals above and beyond there store pricing. E-8s 199.99…Piko Taurus’s 159.99…40FT Aristo box cars 29.99

Evan cars 34.99 and so on. 2 years ago but still… Noch scenery stuff was almost given away.

Nick

In the past the internet has been slammed for being the death knell of the local hobby store. However, the hobby store propietor has to take stock of the situation he finds himself in. My local hobby store has no large scale, no ‘O’ scale (not even Bachmann ‘On30’) and the only small train items are second hand twenty year old ‘OO’ coaches at ridiculously high prices. He cannot even keep a stock of basic paints on his shelves. He does though have lots of plastic car and ship kits and lots of military modelling kits. At times he cannot even supply plastic hobby glue. For two months he kept telling me that he could not source the stuff and yet my local craft/artist supply could get it.

I live in a city of over three million people. To go to a decent small scale (‘h.o.’ or ‘OO’ scale) I have to travel about an hour each way. To get U.S. standard gauge items, like Aristo and USA Trains I need to travel for a similar time and then take potluck at what may or may not be on the shelves.

To get LGB I need to travel about two hours south and pay full retail. The dealer has less stock available then what I already have on my railroad. Why would I travel for four hours in the car, pay full retail and most likely find the dealer does not even have an item in stock. Even getting basic track items can be a hassle. Why not simply log in to the internet, pay by PayPal and simply await delivery. Seems more civilised than travelling across the country in the hope of finding something on a dealer’s shelf.

The Aristo internet selling method may be controversial but then how controversial is a hobby store that does not have hobby items on the shelves. The hobby store needs to redefine itself and its purpose in today’s internet hungry world. Our local major retail centres are lobbying the federal governemnt to impose a goods and services tax on ALL online sales. The government has replied that to impliment the tax would cost three times the anticpated tax revenue. Still the major retail stores are lobbying harder. The stores have set up their own internet sites but are selling items the same price as instore. Who are they kidding? They want to sabotage overseas online sales plus maintain a control over all internal online sales and maintain retail price levels. Have they not heard of competition?

The hobby store needs to look at itself as a ‘hobby’ store, not simply a box retailer. The hobbyist purchasing a toy train set is just at the beginning of the journey. Postal restrictions limit the transport of dangerous goods like paints, solvents, glues, etc. A smart hobby store will change his business model to cater for the changing needs. He cannot compete with online stores. Typically a largescale Bachmann locomotive retails here for around $1200. One can buy the same item online at an Australian eBay seller for $499 plus $30 shipping. It is not computer science. Someone is making a huge profit margin markup!

Boomer Keel said:

The editors reply was classic. We are a magazine for our readers. As long as we put our readers first we will have advertisers. Lesson learned on customer service.

I really seriously dubiously wonder if their answer would be the same today.

Remember one of the reasons He-Who-Told-The-Truth-About-Manufacturers-From-The-Factory-Defects packed up and dropped out of the online scene was in part due to a certain magazine company refusing to print anything negative about defective products lest they anger the manufacturers and their advertising dollars.

Boomer Keel said:

Hehehehe Vic

Your probably right. That story was 40 years ago. Pretty sure Kalmbach is all about the $$$$$

Of course I let my subscription to GRM expire and went with Narrow Gauge Gazette for that very reason.

Boomer

Its a shame no one has come out with “Standard Gauge ShortLine”. That could replace GR for me since I model 56.5" guage stuffs. As for the modelling/kitbashing stuff… thats why I come here!

Boomer Keel said:

When I was a kid Model Railroad Magazine ran a story about how they had offended one of their major advertisers. Floquil Paints. It seems a young writer had printed a story of how modelers could use stove paint on their brass engines. It was durable, cheap and looked great. Floquil’s owner blew a gasket, “we pay good money for you to promote our paint line”, “what the hell are you thinking”. They pulled all of their advertising from MR for six months and demanded the firing of the writer.

The editors reply was classic. We are a magazine for our readers. As long as we put our readers first we will have advertisers. Lesson learned on customer service.

OK…think about that and especially the EDITORS response and apply it to what this thread has turned into?

Is part of the problem of flat sales in the large scale world the possibility that all us old guys have about all we need, not necessarily all we want, so we don’t buy much or often, whereas the prices have risen so far out of sight (track for example) that the young guys just can’t afford to get into large scale? How many beginners do you know that run out and buy a $1000 locomotive?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=pLgJ7pk0X-s[/youtube]

J.D. Gallaway said:

Boomer Keel said:

Hehehehe Vic

Your probably right. That story was 40 years ago. Pretty sure Kalmbach is all about the $$$$$

Of course I let my subscription to GRM expire and went with Narrow Gauge Gazette for that very reason.

Boomer

Its a shame no one has come out with “Standard Gauge ShortLine”. That could replace GR for me since I model 56.5" guage stuffs. As for the modelling/kitbashing stuff… thats why I come here!

J.D. – It is "Narrow Gauge AND Short Line Magazine, after all. Granted, they get mostly Narrow-minded stuff, but that is our fault for not giving them Standard gauge Short line articles.

Anyone interested in writing a few paragraphs appended to a couple of photos?

Curiously, almost all of the logging railroads here in Washington and northern Idaho, and I suppose to a slightly lesser extent Oregon, were standard gauge, because the Narrow gauge equipment was just not big enough nor strong enough to haul those huge logs out of the woods here 'bouts.

I say “almost all” because I suppose that some rivet counter will find an obscure narrow gauge railroad that operated for a short time and use that to prove me wrong… :slight_smile: Come to think of it, I think there was a 15 inch RR that operated along the Columbia River on the North Bank, east of Vancouver, WA, for a while. It was soon replaced by the SP&S.

I am modeling the Washington Idaho and Montana RWY, a logging railroad in Northern Idaho and Eastern Washington, that is standard gauge. It still operates today as the Washington and IdahoRWY, having never reached Montana.

Steve Featherkile said:

J.D. Gallaway said:

Boomer Keel said:

Hehehehe Vic

Your probably right. That story was 40 years ago. Pretty sure Kalmbach is all about the $$$$$

Of course I let my subscription to GRM expire and went with Narrow Gauge Gazette for that very reason.

Boomer

Its a shame no one has come out with “Standard Gauge ShortLine”. That could replace GR for me since I model 56.5" guage stuffs. As for the modelling/kitbashing stuff… thats why I come here!

J.D. – It is "Narrow Gauge AND Short Line Magazine, after all. Granted, they get mostly Narrow-minded stuff, but that is our fault for not giving them Standard gauge Short line articles.

Anyone interested in writing a few paragraphs appended to a couple of photos?

I can recall several standard gauge layouts in the Gazette over the lest couple years. In fact I think the most recent two issues in fact have standard gauge “short line” layouts published.

Well, let me clarify, the “Short Line” part was more a name to replace “gazette”. Though my Freedom Central started life as a 4.5mile shortline connecting a gravel quarry with a second shortline, the idea has grown to the point that I claim its the smallest Class One.

Thankfully I live 40min’s from Watts Train Shop in Zionsville, IN, so I can get touchy feeley with most items I want depending on what collections Dave has in stock at any given time. I dropped MRR, GRW for the same reasons as well. I subscribe to Timber Times for my logging needs and Steam in the Garden since I only run live steam with one exception, my battery powered LGB Feldbahn lok. While they are not as thick or loaded with ads like GRW or MRR, they have great articles that pertain to what I want to model. Narrow Gauge Gazette is great but to fine scale based for outdoor and I can find other ways to spend that money. The excuse of expensive track doesnt fly, LGB cut their prices in half awhile back, although I hear its going back up again. Used track is abundant on ebay or other online sources. Around here its rare to see much large scale at shows, or any other shops other than Watts. The modeling pool is to small to support any more than what we have. Most shops tell me dont sell much G scale stuff and just refer people to Watts if they need that scale. Just as Watts sends the small scale folks to the other shops, unless they want Marklin. With our uncertain economy, turmoil overseas and ever rising cost of living, dollers to spend on the hobby keep shrinking. I am amazed at the new stuff Accucraft keep bringing out in live steam, and most of it very expensive. I hope Aristo survives and finds its way again as the hobby needs them and their products. Mike

My little order arrived yesterday! A LGB 724CA Caboose a B-Mann Little Hauler Coach and Combine (Green).

The 20% discount is what got me to bite, I really didn’t have a desperate need for anything, but what the heck, my 4th born needs a little consist to follow his recently claimed locomotive.

I saved more than the shipping cost, so I’m a happy dad! and on July 15th (I hope to have trains running again by then) Milo will have a few new cars wrapped up for his 5th b-day.

Thanks for the heads up!

cale