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STANDARD or NARROW GAUGE?

General Discussion
#21

I model the E.B.T. in Fn3 and plan to model some standard gauge F scale rolling stock.

To avoid the situation in the picture below the EBT devised a way to lift the standard gauge car, remove the trucks and replace with narrow gauge trucks. One standard gauge car (on ng trucks) could be moved in a train. The standard gauge car was placed first in line behind the engine. Special aluminum coupler adapter castings allowed the sg couplers to mate to the ng couplers. Standard gauge boxcars, gondolas, hoppers and tank cars were moved along the EBT.

I have been working on a project to introduce a 1:20.3 model kit for the X-29 boxcar pictured on the right. The kit will be designed to run on either standard gauge or narrow gauge trucks. Some of you may have seen the “volume study” that I displayed at the last ECLSTS. It is BIG.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7370/9733310837_25a5e984c0_c.jpg)

#22

Chuck Cole said:

Hi guys,

What are you running or building or collecting?? Standard or Narrow gauge and what made you decide on one or the other??

Despite my huge SG boxcar running with the Fn3 hoppers, I also have a select few SG trains in 1/29th [would be 1/32 if the manufacturer had picked the right scale.] The Aristo pacific, when it came out, was a steal at $300 (and still is great value for money.) The Heavyweight coaches are an amazing piece of injection molding, and now we have the NYC Dreyfuss Hudson on the way.

Whoo Hoooo !!

#23

Geoff Ringle said:

I model the E.B.T. in Fn3 and plan to model some standard gauge F scale rolling stock.

To avoid the situation in the picture below the EBT devised a way to lift the standard gauge car, remove the trucks and replace with narrow gauge trucks. One standard gauge car (on ng trucks) could be moved in a train. The standard gauge car was placed first in line behind the engine. Special aluminum coupler adapter castings allowed the sg couplers to mate to the ng couplers. Standard gauge boxcars, gondolas, hoppers and tank cars were moved along the EBT.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7370/9733310837_25a5e984c0_c.jpg)

I’ve heard of a couple other narrow gauge roads that interchanged with standard gauge by swapping trucks. One thing I wonder about is how they handled the brake hardware when making these swaps? Surely they didn’t just leave the brakes disconnected when they put on the SG trucks, but it seems like it would have been tricky to connect them to mechanisms that were designed for NG.

#24

Is/was there really a difference between the air brakes of different guages??? Or was it just a matter of undoing and reconnecting hoses…

#25

They didn’t have to do anything to the hoses. They were the same on standard and narrow gauges, so they’d attach together just fine. The brake rods on the standard gauge car attached to the brake rigging on the truck itself through a clevis and pin arrangement, so when the crews dropped the trucks, they merely pulled the pin on the clevis that attached the brake rod to the rigging on the standard gauge truck. When they rolled the narrow gauge truck back underneath the standard gauge car, they attached the brake rod to the rigging on the narrow gauge truck.

In response to the original question, I model narrow gauge (East Broad Top) because I’ve just always been fond of narrow gauge railroading. I’ve always liked the uniqueness that surrounds narrow gauge railroads–no two were alike, and each seemed to do things their own way, which makes modeling them fun because if you want to build something quirky, there’s plenty of fodder for ideas.

I do enjoy standard gauge railroading, but I think it takes a certain kind of railroad for modern mainline trains to “look right” in a back yard setting. If I were to do standard gauge, I’d still probably model a short line with smaller locos and short trains.

Later,

K

#26

“I’ve heard of a couple other narrow gauge roads that interchanged with standard gauge by swapping trucks”

Anyone ever see a model of a Ramsey Transfer, which is one way of swapping the trucks? It would make an amazing model. [EBT used a crane - not half as much fun.]

(http://www.midcontinent.org/rollingstock/builders/Images/ramseys_carshifter_ad.jpg)
(http://www.stremy.net/SRA/Misc/Prototype/Ramsey%20Phoenicia%20Large.jpg)

Re: brakes after the swap - I always assumed that the brake pipes ran through the car from end to end anyway, so even if the swapped rucks weren’t connected, the train brakes would work fine. Just don’t park that one car on a slope . .

#27

I model in 1:20.3 NG. Like Kevin said, it is unique. You can build shacks, rustic bridges, etc.

I have 3 pieces of 1:20.3 SG: (Diesel switcher, box car and caboose) with more to come. But they do ride on NG trucks at the moment. I still have not received any SG trucks.

My small collection of SG is 1:32. A couple steamers and a GG1: Some passenger cars and freight cars.

I have 2 Euro Passenger trains in meter gauge (1:22.5).

I am phasing out what little 1:29, 1:24, and LGB “gauge” that I have left.

#28

Personally I model with a 1:20.3 ruler on 45 mm gauge track…that technically makes the railroad narrow gauge, but I don;t really think of it that way, and theres no one else around to tell me different…the people who do see it, just think its cool…I’m building for operational practice, so getting decent lookin decent running locomotives cars and track are more my priority. I did 1:32 for a while…but as others have said its kinda smallish…and I’ve done 7/8 scale…huge and I have the room for it…but it doesn’t lend it self to the type of railroad I wanna build…1:20 stuff is about the right size for my eyes…big enuff, but not overwhelming…I call it using NG practices in a SG way more or less…

#29

Bart…you make sense…Another way of saying it, if you are “Freelancing” as we both are, is…In my little piece of the World, there is only one gauge…so that is the GAUGE I’m modelling. The gauge of track is “Standard” for your little World…it’s the only gauge…

Who really cares, as long as it pleases you.

The only reason I use the term “Narrow Gauge”, is to try to express to others the type of equipment I’m using, as compared to the modern “Standard Gauge” stuff that is most common to the average person on the street these days.

#30

It’s a long time ago, but my first impression of the EBT was that it looked like standard gauge rolling stock that was put into the shrink machine.

#31

I run mostly 1:29, so, yeah, I run narrow gauge. :slight_smile:

Shields up!

#32

I run standard narrow gauge too, I mean I am narrowly focused on standard gauge… oh now I’m all confused…

1:29 only… other scales mixed in seem to stand out to me in SG… NG seems to be more “flexible” but I like long trains, modern steam, etc.

So no LGB, all Aristo, USAT, AML …

Greg

#33

Geoff Ringle said:

It’s a long time ago, but my first impression of the EBT was that it looked like standard gauge rolling stock that was put into the shrink machine.

Thats sorta my feeling too…and what I’ve fund about the Ohio River & Western was kinda the same…just much earlier…