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[MOVED] Anyone hear from Warren Mumpower recently?

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#21

I do not believe that constantly discussing the topic on this site is going to solve anything. Yes, Warren is a convicted paedophile, on a previous charge and until charged and convicted on this current charge is innocent under law, whether some like it or not. Few know him personally, but the charges most definately take all by surprise. I feel that watchdog sites as well have no place on this forum. If you have reason to doubt your neighbour then there are avenues to discover the info required and this train site is not that place.

Not discussing is not hiding the problem. The world around us is hypocritical. It displays underage girls and boys in advertising and the fashion world as sexual objects. We have television and movies portraying underage sex as the norm and yet society, while allowing such depravities in the public media, condems offenders. I have no sympathy for offenders, but society in general is as guilty as each individual that crosses the line - society media says look but do not touch. Many feign outrage, but still watch movies and television portraying underage children in apparently sexual environments and see it as ‘art’.

We recently had a world famous photographer have his latest ‘art’ removed from an exhibition as it apparently overstepped the mark of what is art and what is pornography. The artistic images portrayed a naked 13 year old girl. If it was art what difference does it make if the girl was thirteen or eighteen years old? By being only thirteen, the images are designed to provoke both shame/disgust and intrigue thus confusing the viewer. Art is meant to stimulate the senses, however the subject being portrayed is as important to the issue as the art itself.

Yes we will band together and condemn the perpetrator, but let us look at the bigger picture. In our everyday life we are all subjected to images in the media that border on illegal sexuality. Some are not as ‘strong’ as others and give in to these urges. This in no way condones their actions, but a society that allows images in the media that are meant to draw a ‘negative’ response from the viewer, is as guilty morally, as the perpetrator himself.

#22

Your post is a mess, Tim. First, you say we should not be discussing it here. There has been little discussion except for a few short comments. Then you go off on a long tangent about the hypocrisy of advertising and the media. All I can respond to that is WTF???

-Brian

#23

Brian,
we condemn the individual, but those in the media get rich on images that in reality are little more than pornography in advertising and society condones it.

#24

I think Tim raises a valid point, that of an oversexed society. To a various degree we all contribute to this. Best wishes from Lyon, Zubi

#25
Zbigniew Struzik said:
I think Tim raises a valid point, that of an oversexed society. To a various degree we all contribute to this. Best wishes from Lyon, Zubi
Maybe you contribute to some degree- I certainly do not contribute to any friggin degree. People are responsible for their own actions. I am tired of people blaming society. I live in the same society and I'm not a POS child molester. Ralph
#26

Ralph,
do you protest every time you see a scantily dressed underage model on the catwalk? Do you protest every time you see an underage model advertising lingerie? Do you protest when a movie shows a young girl in a compromising position with an older boy or mature male actor? Do you protest when you see a young female in a revealing pose in a magazine advertisement? No, we do not participate in pornographic indecent acts, but by choosing to accept these forms of media advertising, we passively condone them and so ‘legalise’ abuse of children. Why do advertisers not accept older women in advertising? Why do fashion houses not use mature well-rounded women to portray their image? A recent advertising contract was cancelled because a cosmetic company used a nine year old girl to advertise their product. Exactly why was such a young model considered in the first instance? We all feign moral outrage but never do anything to stop its propogation.

  If we continue to accept current advertising and media moral standards then we are heading down a path that will inevitably lead to moral and then social decay.
#27
Tim Brien said:
Ralph, do you protest every time you see a scantily dressed underage model on the catwalk? Do you protest every time you see an underage model advertising lingerie? Do you protest when a movie shows a young girl in a compromising position with an older boy or mature male actor? Do you protest when you see a young female in a revealing pose in a magazine advertisement? No, we do not participate in pornographic indecent acts, but by choosing to accept these forms of media advertising, we passively condone them and so 'legalise' abuse of children. Why do advertisers not accept older women in advertising? Why do fashion houses not use mature well-rounded women to portray their image? A recent advertising contract was cancelled because a cosmetic company used a nine year old girl to advertise their product. Exactly why was such a young model considered in the first instance? We all feign moral outrage but never do anything to stop its propogation. 
  If we continue to accept current advertising and media moral standards then we are heading down a path that will inevitably lead to moral and then social decay.</blockquote>

I do protest when children are involved. And I vote with my wallet.
I have six daughters, none who I allowed to participate in the child “beauty pageants”.
Advertising also glamorizes alcohol, yet I do not drink. Does this make me in some part responsible for a drunk driver killing someone?
The blame lies with the individual that makes the choice.
You can not blame society because the advertising industry’s lack of moral standards. I hardly think Madison Ave is representative of the mores of society in general.
Ralph

#28

Tim,

Perhaps the discussion needs to be expanded to look at a slew of other indicators - and the driving forces behind them.
Ralph has it right in his sign off

RB said:
Apocalypso-We’ll be Dancin’ when we Go

#29

It seems totally fine to me to discuss this here. I never knew him, but my guess is Warren Mumpower seemed like a completely reasonable guy. Those of you who knew him, were there any warning signs or things that in retrospect raise flags?

There’s a long history of debate about what constitutes a minor and what constitutes a “consenting adult.” A friend of mine wrote a book about it. In some states, in the 1800s the age of consent was as high as 25. In others, believe it or not, it was as low as 9!!! In the early 20th century it was mostly formalized around 16

I have two kids, a son age 17 who seems to be turning out pretty well, all of a sudden, and a three year old daughter. I agree it’s a creepily over-sexed commercial culture. I can not allow my daughter to have certain things, and I can teach her a set of values and standards for her own self-respect. But I can’t remove her from a commercial culture that relentlessly sexes up little kids. We don’t have cable or dish, she rarely watches video, but we’re still surrounded by a larger culture that sends messages we don’t always like–neighbors, friends, schoolmates–they don’t always see it our way. All we can do is lay a good foundation she can build on.

As far as I know, and I’m not an expert, pedophiles are subject to a pretty deep and irresistable compulsion. It’s something most of us–me included–find deeply offensive, and the penalties, legal and personal–are extremely high. If someone went after my daughter, I’d be getting the shotgun out.

#30

I would be considered a liberal by most people. But I don’t buy the irresistible compulsion theory. This is what differentiates man from animal. I have the ability to resist an urge and make a choice.
And I know I will be held responsible for my choices.
Ralph

#31

Lets stop this thread right now, please, eh?

#32

Surprised and shocked.

The video has a nice clip from Cozad’s :smiley:

#33
Bob McCown said:
Lets stop this thread right now, please, eh?
I am always happy to respect the wishes of a very gracious host. Ralph
#34

…seemed like a completely reasonable guy. Those of you who knew him, were there any warning signs or things that in retrospect raise flags?..

None, what-so-ever!
I even purchased a few trains from him at his house.

Bob,
I shall remove the link.
If anyone wants to, just Google his name and go from there.

jb

#35
Bob McCown said:
Lets stop this thread right now, please, eh?
This is why I asked for this thread to simply be deleted and let the Albatros die.
#36

There is a very slippery slope you start down when you start deleting posts in a forum. I am not going to start down it.

E-Mail me if you’re interested in why.

#37

Let’s continue this BS line.

-Budweiser ads cause drunk driving.
-Watching too much MTV makes you schizophrenic.
-Playing Grand Theft Auto makes you a homicidal maniac
-Autism is caused by vaccines even though thimerisol has been removed for a decade and autism rates are on the rise.
-any others?

People, some people are just not right in the head whether that has been caused by genetic or environmental factors. Many choose to seek help for their problems, some do not. Sometimes psychological and/or drug treatment is not enough. That’s why we have jails and hospitals. Speaking from personal experience, if I had not sought treatment years ago who knows how I would have acted out on the harm caused to me in my early life. Many of these crimes are perpetuated by people who have been harmed in their early life and do not seek help. The chain has to be broken. These crimes and many other horrible ones have been around since the dawn of the time.

That said, I will no longer return to this thread. I will suggest you do the same. If you would like to continue this conversation off the forum, I would be happy to do so (where my thoughts could be shared a bit more colorfully).

-Brian

#38
Brian Donovan said:
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If you would like to continue this conversation off the forum, I would be happy to do so (where my thoughts could be shared a bit more colorfully).

-Brian


Sheeesh Brian, I’d love to, but since “I-know-it-all” that wouldn’t be very productive, eh?? :lol: :lol: A bit of colour is always a good thing, in subdued, selected shades. :wink: :smiley:

#39
John Bouck said:
.......seemed like a completely reasonable guy. Those of you who knew him, were there any warning signs or things that in retrospect raise flags?..................

None, what-so-ever!
I even purchased a few trains from him at his house.

Bob,
I shall remove the link.
If anyone wants to, just Google his name and go from there.

jb


I had no idea, either, and I bought most of my trains from him.

#40
Bob McCown said:
Lets stop this thread right now, please, eh?
*cough*