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i’ll take your post as trigger for ranting a bit.

yep. good point.

but:

rant on:
knowing, that this is the wiki-philosophy i am not so sure about this idea.
in our hobby there are so many different ways to skin a cat, that after two or three edits the idea of the original poster could be turned into its opposite. or, even worse:
poster: use a pointy knife to skin that cat.
1.editor: use a knife with a rounded point.
poster: use a pointed knife to reach better the skin of the legs.
1.editor: use a knife with rounded point to evade holes in the leather.
2.editor: dont use a knife, use scissors to open the belly, then draw the cat out of this hole, like with rabbits.
and so on…
the most stubborn “wins”.
results: all three feel somewhat pissed off. the original poster will think twice, before he posts another thing.

just the opposite.
agree and disagree buttons and the possibility to ask questions(not opinions)

to come back to Peter’s “artikle” (that could have more details) and your desire to edit it:
doubting, that you had just the same problem on the same loco with the same soundboard fixed, but something “similar” - may i suggest, that you write your own wiki-article about that?

our hobby has so many different branches that i think, it might be a good idea, to categorize the wiki.
just from the top of my head: steam, DC, DCC, clockwork (the last could include drawstrings)
Edit: i did forget “battery” - so very sorry…
modelling: locos, rolling stock, buildings(in- & outdoors) landscape, vegetation, track.
electronics: soundcarts etc., lighting buildings & trains, switches,
last not least : info about sellers, repair etc.

aaand another idea: who is to decide, what belongs into the wiki to keep it informative and serious?
how about, if readers of the normal forum can suggest, that this or that thing should be for the wiki and one or two others have to second that suggestion?
the advantage would be, that not only the bold, but the timid with good ideas would be “motivated” to post their ideas/deeds.

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Thanks Korm. To your point:

  1. editor: please don’t skin actual cats. This was an early nautical term, referring to removing a “cat-o’-nine-tails” from its bag, preparatory to punishing an errant sailor. There might not have been room to “skin” or swing the “cat” for said punishment.
    :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

four things come to mind:
1 “Cliff_Jennings” can not be a single person. much modelling, many fields of interest, working(?)
is Cliff Jennings just the call sign of a Borg collective?

2 should i edit the “3.editor” into the post above, to stress the point even more, that editing by others would destroy the texts?

3 the only cats i ever skinned were, what mennonites here call a “shtink-kat” (the black and white striped), mountain lions and a jaguar.

4 luckily i was too young to hire on ships that still had nine-tailed-cats on board.

Rooster, you do have a habit of taking a thread in a different direction. You can move to a condo when you can’t maintain/upgrade the Victorian any longer! OK?

In our case, we got flooded in 2003 (I was 55) and the house was a total loss. We moved to a Townhouse/condo, with 4 floors, an elevator, and a garage. No where to put a layout, but I had 3 workbenches!
However, we also bought a condo in Florida on the beach in 2007, and the advantage of the Townhouse was that we could lock up and go, and there was a staff to call if we needed to know why the alarm went off.

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No-one has answered my question - what was wrong with the original thread? Is the objective of the wiki to create something that others can (or want to) modify? Why would they? Did I post the wrong kind of article?

On my boat group wiki, we add comments to clarify the wiki entries, but very few people edit the posts. Its main objective is to capture info that was posted on Facebook and would be difficult to find.
I don’t see that as a problem here. I can search LSC for a thread, and if I can’t find it, I google “site:largescalecentral.com Peter Revo mogul” or similar. Google has read all these pages and can find things the site search can’t.

with the original thread? nothing, if i remember right.

with this “wiki entry” :

I notice the chuff in the video isn’t synchronized. At 50% throttle on the TX, it is perfectly 4 chuffs per revolution of the wheels. Any other speed is a little off.

The motherboard has the functions brought out on solder pads at the side - I used the spkr pads. You will note the first pad is Chuff sw and there is also a Chuff Sensor. (I’ll have to read the manual . . ) Obviously not p-n-p as it does not detect the chuff sensor. But could I wire the Revo chuff to the motherboard, as I did the speaker? I suspect so.

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The Revo card comes with a cable for the external switches, like the chuff sensor. Seems like an easy thing to test.

Edit: Manual says connect your sound board to Chuff Sensor and GND. I think that’s how the Revo works so maybe a test is called for.

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a wiki entry should be a stand-alone affair.

so: what video? what motherboard? what loco?
what is a"20250609_172720_resized-LSC-chuff" ?

is the information complete? “I think that’s how the Revo works so maybe a test is called for.”

maybe it would be a good idea for a “stand-alone” information to start with some basics:
(if not separated in categories - about what is it? )
which level is it? beginner, experienced, three-cross-engineer?
link(s) to further information. (the original thread etc)

in my opinion : NO
another example: mountain building. in this forum alone i have read about a dozen of different ways to do that.
if we work with editing and consenting, the final result would be:
How to build a mountain.

  • best build it behind the foreground buildings and build it upwards. - (the only two features everybody could consent to)
    i, again personally, would prefer not to have one castrated and abused post per category, but a dozen specific explanations, how it was done.
    to come back to cats: edited "how-to"s are ike trying to skin Schrödinger’s cat.
    better, if each and every one describes how he skinned his own cat. (with all gory details…)

Yes - because you posted the first article. (it is sooo much easier to criticise the first article, than to write it) :wink:

maybe we shouldn’t call it wiki, but “How-to lexicon” or similar?

ps: as we have some specialists in derailing threads (myself included!)
for this new section it might be good, if no comments would be allowed. just question to be answered by the original poster.

pps: i feel like a grave digger or an archeologist in this 18 year od thread.

That’s an image in the original that didn’t get carried over to the Wiki.

So why didn’t it copy to the Wiki?

Are you saying the little pencil [=edit] on the bottom is not showing for you?

I’ll throw this out there…

I have been quite hesitant to post a reply, as I don’t want to come across as very knowledgeable in the “Ways of the Wiki” and I hope I’m not stepping on any peoples toes. I have no idea how to host a wiki, but here is a loose scenario of the potential value associating running a Wiki category on the LSC site. I could have provided a pro & con list, but as per usual, I got distracted by the potential fun of a narrative.

So without further ado, apologies for the following trailer…

A long time ago on a forum not so far away…
It is a time of scattered knowledge. Veteran modellers, striking from dusty workbenches and curated backyards, had built empires of experience — wiring systems, battery conversions, and scratch-built water towers that defy age and weather.

The forum buzzes with chatter. Dover recently posted pictures of his new Heckled Mine addition. Bantam argued the case against planting problematic camellia bushes near the Amtrak ROW. Ridge told tales of his long awaited trestle-build. The forum was full of stories, questions, advice, and good-natured banter.

But chaos reigns, and the elders of the forum noticed a disturbance:

  • Every spring, someone would ask, “What battery should I use for a 1:20.3 Shay?”
  • Every summer, “How do I weatherproof a shingled roof?”
  • And every autumn, “What’s the best way to clean track of leaf fall?”

The same brilliant answers lie buried in ancient threads, scattered across years of posts. Photos have vanished. Dead links abound. New modellers arrive with questions long answered — yet the wisdom lies deep, hidden in the archives.

From this confusion in 2007, a New Hope emerged: (O)B-Chand announced A NEW WIKI.

Forged not to replace the forum, but to augment it — the wiki is to be a living guide, a force, drawing from the forum’s greatest webpage hits:

  • How to waterproof your buildings for a harsh winter
  • Which transmitters play nicely with legacy receivers
  • Tricks for hiding speaker grills in a coal load
  • Unusual building techniques (plexiglass walls and wedding cakes plinths being a top read)

Unlike the forum, where conversation is king and every post reflects its author’s voice, the wiki is collaborative, concise, and organised. It offers the distilled knowledge, free from thread drift and derailments.

Concerned potential contributors rightly voiced concerns about the Wiki Category — “What if someone edits my post? ”

  • But the wiki is not a battleground.
  • It keeps a full record of every change. Nothing is lost. Edits are logged. Ideas evolve, just like layouts.
  • It is place for concise shared knowledge ; lasting value. A growing not-so secret rebel alliance of modellers contribute quietly to its pages.

The real challenge is recruitment to the Cause. Questions are asked. Could you, would you be able to write a Wiki post and be happy that at some point someone might edit your contribution? At the same time might you get excited envisioning that your document will have a chance evolve, remain relevant in the distant future, knowing you too, can clarify the edit down the line?
Would you be happy to:

  • “Treat it like track-work” .
  • “Lay down something useful — knowing others may help super-elevate the curves, and add scenery.”

So everybody, I might challenge all of us to think about something of which you are a master that could shared as a Wiki reference page.
It could be:

  • How to avoid common pond building mistakes
  • Glues, strengths and weaknesses
  • Critters, how to discourage them
  • What to consider in a choosing a CNC, 3D printer
  • Using a lathe to create scale veranda posts and telephone poles.

Returning to our story about the very first LSC wiki edit…
Soon Ridge added a diagram. Bantam contributed a list of safe battery chemistries for summer heat. Someone else corrected a dead link. Instead of concerns about ownership, they treated it like ballasting a shared mainline — collaborative, respectful, and transparent.

The forum remains the Cantina (which also sort of explains why there’s a “talking rooster” in the group🤪)— full of characters, stories, and spirited debate. The wiki is the archives of the BD Temple — curated, resilient, ready to guide future generations.

Together, they are stronger.

So when the next newcomer asks, “What’s the best way to do something?”, you’ll smile, link them to the wiki, and say: “Here are the basics; start here, my build is linked there too, and let’s talk. We’ve been there. You’re not alone.”

Bill’s post sent me thinking.

from one point of view i can not believe, that there are many persons, who look at the article’s history, whenever looking something up in a wiki.
modelling seems to me similar to cooking: with more than one cook involved, the meal has either no salt, or too much salt.

but on the other hand…
i am dismantling my layout, to make room for a better one to be built.
looking back, i don’t think, that i would have much to put up into a wiki. (save, maybe, how not to do things)
so, if my work isn’t even good enough for me, why should it be for others?
one should think, that i am old enough to have learnt, that pessimistic outlooks to new enterprises are very seldom welcome.

so, if there are enough members of this forum, who want an editable wiki, it is not my place, to hold them back.

WTF is a WIKI? (%$*& added to make 20 characters)

John;

WTF is a WIKI?

The best answer I can give to your Whiskey Tango Foxtrot question is that it is kinda’ like an online encyclopedia where folks can search for answers to nagging problems in their vocation or hobby.

Hope that helps, David Meashey

Wikipedias intro here John, maybe it will help
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is a general introduction for visitors to Wikipedia. For aspiring contributors, also see this guide and tutorial. For other uses, see Wikipedia:Wikipedia (disambiguation).

“Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge. That’s what we’re doing.” —Jimmy Wales

Wikipedia is a free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and millions already have.

Wikipedia’s purpose is to benefit readers by presenting information on all branches of knowledge. Hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation, Wikipedia consists of freely editable content, with articles that usually contain numerous links guiding readers to more information.

Written collaboratively by volunteers known as Wikipedians, Wikipedia articles can be edited by anyone with Internet access, except in limited cases in which editing is restricted to prevent disruption or vandalism. Since its creation on January 15, 2001, it has grown into the world’s largest reference website, attracting over a billion visitors each month. Wikipedia currently has more than sixty-five million articles in more than 300 languages, including 7,022,752 articles in English, with 107,146 active contributors in the past month.

Wikipedia’s fundamental principles are summarized in its five pillars. While the Wikipedia community has developed many policies and guidelines, new editors do not need to be familiar with them before they start contributing.

Anyone can edit Wikipedia’s text, data, references, and images. The quality of content is more important than the expertise of who contributes it. Wikipedia’s content must conform with its policies, including being verifiable by published reliable sources. Contributions based on personal opinions, beliefs, or personal experiences, unreviewed research, libellous material, and copyright violations are not allowed, and will not remain. Wikipedia’s software makes it easy to reverse errors, and experienced editors watch and patrol bad edits.

Wikipedia differs from printed references in important ways. Anyone can instantly improve it, add quality information, remove misinformation, and fix errors and vandalism. Since Wikipedia is continually updated, encyclopedic articles on major news events appear within minutes.

For over 24 years, editors have volunteered their time and talents to create history’s most comprehensive encyclopedia while providing references and other resources to researchers worldwide (see Researching with Wikipedia). In summary, Wikipedia has tested the wisdom of the crowd since 2001 and has found that it succeeds.

Well, that’s all illuminating information, but no-one has answered the question: can you edit my Wiki post?
If you can’t, why not? @rmccown-admin.

Now we are getting to the point. I always understood a Wiki to consist of many editable articles, used as a reference by the group. It might also be a source for saved documents, links, etc.

I even edited a Wikipedia article once (about the EBT, and someone promptly added to my edits.)

I often convert an information thread into an article, and send it to the editor of Florida GRS, who publishes it. One even got published in GRNews!
I assume that kind of article would make a good Wiki post?

I also assume that my Wiki post, which has additional posts, should be re-edited as a stand-alone article?

Interesting, it wasn’t configured as a Wiki article, so I changed it. Let me see what that should be doing.

AH! The option to make an article a Wiki was set to admin only. I changed that, so everyone should be able to create wiki articles now, and regular users should also be able to edit any wiki article.

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When you first loaded this forum style and we were in the first days testing every option for usage, you had the Wiki set so we could edit the content. I remember this because Korm posted something as a test and I grabbed that item to see what would happen if I tried to edit his post. I believe you reset the control to admin only because we realized at that point the issues others editing your post could lead to infighting that is not needed.
I personally prefer being able to copy and paste the original posters comment or idea and editing it/amending it which leaves the entire original post in entirety so arguments will not be provoked. If you check badges I got an Edited first Wiki badge

Years ago , a local radio personality was talking about Wiki and the ability to edit things and so he mentione changing the speed of light ,and 1 minute later his board operator came on and said according to Wikipedia the speed of light is now 23 miles per hour. It was like that for se real hours before it was edited back to the original 186,000 miles per second
The board operator changed it just to see. If he could