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#41

Neil,

Here’s to seeing fewer of these posts

Terry A de C Foley said:
cale nelson said:
...and use only little European style engines...cale
Dear Mr Nelson - please do not make the mistake of confusing British locomotives with 'European-style engines'.

They are quite different in so many ways that I could not even begin to tell you what they were.

Suffice it to say that 2 foot gauge predominates here in UK, but on mainland Europe, a place we usually go only to fight wars, it is comparatively rare. European locos are therefore a good deal larger than those found here.

As for being called ‘European’, I think you’ll find that most British people would rather pour boiling mercury poured into their own eyes, or grind open their throat with a blunt spoon than agree with you.

tac
Ottawa Valley GRS


BTW my theory on the round windows: less or more even stress since the frame expands/contracts at the same ratio all the way around.
Which reminds me, some of the Norwegian and Swedish electrics also had round windows on the machine compartments. As did many of the early NA diesels (E, F etc.).

#42

The Pennsylvania RR was notorious for its porthole windows on cabooses, MU cars and in certain places on passenger cars. The only porthole windows I’ve ever liked and thought they looked like they belonged is on the E’s and F’s.

#43

Seems I continue to find myself in the midst of controversy no matter what Forum I visit…that wasn’t the intent there or here…

Neil, in our “Schools” our kids aren’t even taught “Our National” history correctly, much less anyone else’s…they are used more for government indoctrination than teaching…hence my choice to educate my children at home…of course this will prob stir some up too-

I had no idea where any of these trains hail from (the small engines). I have spent most of my short time in the hobby learning about NG Steam here in the states…so wherever they are from, I like them, and would consider a few esp the live steamers that are so sharp!

Back to IP Engineering…I have visited many times and long after the "Shelley’ Toby Look a like!

cale

#44
Warren Mumpower said:
The Pennsylvania RR was notorious for its porthole windows on cabooses, MU cars and in certain places on passenger cars. The only porthole windows I've ever liked and thought they looked like they belonged is on the E's and F's.
Many years ago while working on a preserved railway in wales, I got talking to an old guy who had worked at Pecketts in the 30's and 40's, and he told me that round holes in cab-plate steel are a lot easier to cut and make, and therefore cheaper to produce than a rounded-corner rectangular aperture.

That seems to be a good answer and reason.

tac, inordinately unhumorous, even at this time of day.
ottawa Valley GRS

#45
cale nelson said:
Seems I continue to find myself in the midst of controversy no matter what Forum I visit....that wasn't the intent there or here.... cale
Dear Sir - please don't take my well-intentioned response so much to heart! It was not intended to cause either strife or controversy, although it must be said that there are those who seem to thrive on both, but to inform you that most British people do not consider themselves to be Europeans, but British. Some would go even further, and strongly assert that they are not British, but English - or Welsh - or even Scots [who are in fact merely immigrant Irish.]

The many hundreds of little trains that live here are also British, and if they could speak, bless 'em, would tell you that they were very proud of the fact.

As for me and my by-now legendary lack of humour, I rather thought that my post to you was both informative and vaguely humorous in its own way, as, indeed, were many of my posts.

Best wishes

tac, now revealed as an unspeakably unhumorous person
Ottawa Valley GRS

#46

“tac, now revealed as an unspeakably unhumorous person”

Now, that’s funny.

#47

no offense taken Tac…it’s that continental separation in humor we all suffer from! Like the North vs. the South around here…no harm, no foul!

cale

#48

I feel as if I’m watching an episode of the “Benny Hill Show”…:wink:

#49

Ken,
one big difference. The Benny Hill show WAS funny (even the reruns of the reruns).

#50

…just as a mater of interest; the Canadian Pacific Railroad used the “English/British” token/staff system in a number of places in Canada, There was one right here in Ottawa. The section I know about was from Ottawa West, to Hull Beamer, and from there to Ottawa Union Station.
A felow from Ottawa; Bruce Chapman, just sent me the operating rulles for this system. It takes up several pages…

This trackage is changed much from those days, and the system was removed back in the late 60’s

#51

Ok Cale - these are both IP products…

#52

Another…Roundhouse engineering this time, showing typical British round spectacle windows…H-J, I think that is a good explanation re the expansion!

#53

…and finally, one from the colonies…but Australia this time…British built for Aussie, with NO cab windows at all - saves the hassle of making them!!! Roundhouse again. And yes - they run as well as people say they do! Neil - Another middle aged fart, just not as old as tac…

Afraid none of my steamers are US outline - I do have a few sparkies though…USA Trains Geep and switcher… :slight_smile:

#54
Neil Hay said:
Neil - Another middle aged fart, just not as old as tac....
Yo Neil, you missed out 'humourless' - seems we are all humourless as well as being fart-like and old.

tac - well-known for being 100% old, fart-like and fully-fitted with a humour-bypass.
Ottawa Valley GRS

#55

those are Beautiful!

thanks for posting…maybe one day! I guess I could save for new steamers instead of track…

#56

Cale, you need track to run 'em on…!!! Glad you liked them anyway - I suspect others may not have such a broad view!

Humorless, tac - moi??? nahhh, Grey and farty, yes!

#57

I’ve commented before about Niel’s Aussie steamer as it has had my admiration since he posted the first picture. I’ve since learned that locomotives of a similar style…with the open cab was common among the sugar cane trains…though most were equipped with diamond stacks to prevent setting the fields on fire. If I ever go to live steam that locomotive would have to be my first.

#58

Glad you like iher Warren. It’s still my favourite of all my large scale stuff. It has now run 14 actual miles…and just gets better and better. Here’s a shot of her in February - temperature well below freezing, see the frost on the track base sides…nice plume!

#59

Drool…:smiley:

She’s just begging to pull a rake of cane bins…:slight_smile:

#60

I should suggest to IP engineering that they produce something like that! It’s odd, but this loco looks OK whatever you put behind it…the tank engine doesn’t, at all.