" Rooster " said:
Nope …I don’t see it …HOWEVER what I DO SEE is Ken in a dress down front wearing a cowboy hat in his youth and I ALSO see ALL those stairs running up the roof line that CANNOT be left out of this spectacular model!
David, I’m glad you noticed her. She’s someone’s G-G-G-grandma. But did you notice the boy on the catwalk, leaning on the stack?
I’m determined to make those stairs, and thanks for anticipating that his model will be “spectacular”. I’ll sure try my best, buddy!
Chicken belongs in a bucket!
I can’t believe you spent all that time modeling that up either, or that you are even going to Dremel feathers on it. Starting to think they need to up your dosage a bit.
Chris
Hey Cliffy,
On your working gates. You need to print any holes that will have a brass rod thru them undersized and then drill them out. Even on my high dollar printer at work, holes aren’t always round. Will be interesting to see them work.
Chris
Chris, right you are, re. the bucket and especially the out of round holes. Except that I’ve found that prints from Shapeways and my home machine generally have undersized holes already, so drilling them out seems good enough. Actually, I sometimes have to drill oversize, because the material can stretch around the bit and shrink back again.
OK, I’ve pinched this one off, and here it be. (http://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-tongue-out.gif)
Cliff Jennings said: next October when I give a short talk to the V&T Historical Society on making this model. Not a big deal, but it’s always nice to have at least a small bit of justification. And here’s the closest I can find.
Why is the first stack larger at the bottom and has the esceution above it ?
Leaky stack?
How is the street light lit?
Chris Kieffer said:
Chicken belongs in a bucket!
" Rooster " said:
Why is the first stack larger at the bottom and has the esceution above it ?
Leaky stack?
How is the street light lit?
I’ve wondered the same thing on that stack, Rooster, and you’re guess is as good as mine. My guess is that since it penetrates the roof closer to the ground, it’s therefore nearer its boiler than the others. So maybe that’s an extra ring of insulation. Just a guess though.
The town had a gas plant at this time, and I’m pretty sure I’ve read that the street lights were all powered by that.
That’s a hilarious pic!
And nice weather vane, Ken, thanks for that!
That is a heat shield / stack flashing used in a high heat application near flammable materials (wood roof). Either a dead air space or insulation between the two that prevents the heat put thru the actual stack from heating the roof structure up to the point it catches fire. The piece at the transition is the rain / storm cap. Replaces the tapered flashing that is usually found on stacks right on the roof. Most likely, that is the smoke stack off the boiler firebox.
Chris
Thanks for weighing in Chris. You almost sound like you know what you’re talking about. (http://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-foot-in-mouth.gif)
There were four boilers, each one’s fire box beneath each stack. But that particular boiler had the lower roof above it, necessitating (as I opined) special insulation at the roof interface.
So we’re in agreement! Thanks for the additional info and corroboration. (http://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-laughing.gif)
Cliff
I thought it looked like a gas light but thought it was awful odd where it was placed and didn’t know if …ahhh never mind
Rooster, so you didn’t think someone would be gaslighted at that location?
That uphill area, behind the mine, hasn’t been a concern of mine until now. And from the lack of real estate I have there on the layout, it shows. So I have to eliminate almost all the details of what was there (wood tram out to the tracks, piles of wood between, an ice house, etc.). But there was a key feature that I’d like to at least give lip service to, and that is the wood stacks.
On the right, I’ve modeled in a stack of beams, and piles of cordwood behind.
The cordwood was for the boilers, and each mine and mill had a mountain of it (red oval below). Beams were for all the square set timbering down in the mine (blue oval below). The beams were on the near side of the delivery track, the cordwood mountain on the far side. The “wood tram” must have crossed the track at grade, as it did with a neighboring mine just south.
Between mines, mills and homes on the Comstock, the eastern Sierra anywhere near Lake Tahoe was denuded of trees. This cordwood pile gives a hint of that, and there were mountains like this for each mine and steam-powered mill.
Anyway, like I said, I can only hint at this stuff, with the below representing my current design direction, which I have to content myself with.
If my layout track at the rear were more proto, it would have been at least 4’ away from the building, and about 7 inches higher. Those double doors on that shed-like appendage was actually at a higher floor level (say, 5" / 10’) than what I have modeled. But the track had to be right against the building; the rear track had to be much lower; and that highest level of the mine, like many other aspects of the real thing, got sacrificed to fit into the model.
So in addition to eliminating the wood tram ( (http://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-cry.gif)) I also have to introduce a sort of loading dock retaining wall which wasn’t there. This is because even after eliminating the highest mine level, the track is still too low. I could only get the track elevation this high; and even now, my loco’s spin their wheels climbing up here too quickly. All this was driving me crazy about 4 years ago, and now those chickens have come home to roost. So what you see in the above pic is totally bogus, historically speaking.
Having said all that I intend to have, and am having, fun with all this and not feel like I’m a slave to some historical ideal which doesn’t apply or exist. I’m just trying to represent something; and even if the representation is vague, that’s just fine.
BTW, re. that prior historical pic, with the girl and lamp post: the cordwood pile was, at that later time, either in a different location or completely depleted.
===>Cliffy
Cliff,
I’m totally digging all of this especially the old pics. With all the research I have done here locally over the past 20yrs I’m ready to start a total drinking blog with a history problem!
HahaHA! Thanks Rooster, I’m glad you’re enjoying these challenges, and the idea of trying to touch actual things in the past.
And about your blog idea, you remind me of a certain T-shirt design…
But I get your joke! And it’s not just a joke; you love your history, and want to have friends to speak passionately about it to, in a friendly environment. Am I right? At least, that’s how I feel.
Fortunately for you, your history passion has a local focus; mine is on the other side of the country, haha!
Virtual cheers – (http://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-laughing.gif)
Cliff Jennings said: But I get your joke! And it’s not just a joke; you love your history, and want to have friends to speak passionately about it to, in a friendly environment. Am I right? At least, that’s how I feel.
Cliff,
I have no friends as my 17yr old son stated that. But have looked around a bit on the internet and forgive me if you have seen or posted this however I search differently and if you have not seen this these pics then I hope they may help ?
Cliffy,
Even with your selective compression your mine is still an impressive sight. Dennis and I were talking about you the other night (all good this time) and said we missed having you put a light in it and taking a night picture when it was still blue.
Chris
Those are really cool Rooster, thanks! I have copies of the photos represented by the last two, but the first one you posted (Savage Mine in the center; the H&N’s waste dump is coming in at the left) is a great sketch that I don’t think I’ve seen before. And neat web site you got it from, I’ve just started scanning it for goodies… Thanks again! And you don’t fool me Dude, you have way more friends than hermity me, haha!
Hey Chris, thanks for that. And yeah that would have looked cool! But I took it all indoors once the fit was confirmed, and didn’t think of the photo op if I’d left it out and lit it up. Huh. Well, it would have looked blue, that’s for sure. Maybe like an ice sculpture, I dunno. Oh well!
Thanks for sharing this build with me guys,
===>Cliffy
Cliff Jennings said:
Thanks for sharing this build with me guys,
===>Cliffy
No… Thank You !
