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Frog Help

Thanks Peter. I am pretty sure I followed you. Unfortunately since i really have not yet decided on a wheel set I can’t answer that question other than to say I doubt seriously that I will be using fine scale wheels.

The loco motor blocks are Bachmann Lil Big Haulers and are certainly NOT fine scale. For the cars I will run on this I have three choices I am playing with. The first will be my own printed wheel IF i can find a resin that I think will be tough enough to do the job and hold up over time, I am highly doubting this. The second and most probable choice will be to use a spoked wheels from the “train department” that are made for small 7/8ths cars. Not sure how fine of a profile they have but in the pictures I don’t think I would call them fine scale. The third choice is would be the Bachmann small whee lsets.

Now I am not really sure how to label my rails in conjuction with the diagram but I am sure I can muddle my way through so you get the picture. Since I am building a stub switch I will start from the left in the diagram. So I don’t have “points” I have two independent sets of rails the ones that will go straight through and the diverging rails. The are set so that the facing edges are set 3.5mm apart. I wouldn’t think this would be an issue of being too wide as much as not wide enough. Since the rails leading in from the left that slide back and forth are whats determining things. provided I make the stops perfect so they line up with two sets of rails.

Moving to the right I have a 3.5 mm gap between the same faces (the ones that oppose each other forming the gap) of the check rails and the running rails. And by the same token I have a 3.5mm gap between the wing rails and the running rails.

Now the ne place where I do understand what you are saying and the only time I have ever treid to make my own frog before is the crossing. I do see what you are talking about with the wheel dropping in. I did struggle with that before. given that everything has a 3.5mm gap will I have an issue with wheels dropping in? I also realize this has to do a lot with wheel diameter and I am using smaller diameter wheels so I suspect that will make the problem worse.

So I do think I followed you Pete. And if I were actually hand laying the switch with components in hand it would be a lot easier to see where adjustments need to be made. Doing it in a virtual world is a little different, I can’t move things around and run a wheel over it.

So with this discussion and what I have said about where and what gaps I have, is there an obvious inherent problem that I need to address before I print my first teat track and see what happens? Not having built them before I don’t have a trained eye to see what you more experienced switch builders will see as glaring.

Nice thing about printing is that its only resin. So if I print one and it doesn’t work its not the end of the world. But I would also like to fix any galring issues that someone might see right off.
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Unfortunately you can’t really tell until you try it, and I can’t advise until you decide on the wheels. If you are using a L’il Hauler then the back-to-back will be about 37mm or less. As your track is 45mm face-to-face, and you are using a 3.5mm gap, then your check/wing rails are 45mm-3.5mm-3.5mm = 38mm apart. The 37mm back-to-back wheels will bump over them or stick/jam in the gap.

Measure your wheel back-to-back and make the wing-frog gap wider if necessary.

Not necessarily. They may drop in but they may not derail, just bump over the top. My pal has finescale track and some of my locos just bounce over the frog/wing rails as they are too tight, but they don’t come off the track (usually.)
You do need to design a flat inside the gap for the wheels to run on. The L’il Hauler will have much deeper flanges than your own wheels, so you should measure the depth of the flange and decide whether the loco is going to lift up on the support inside the gap while your wheels trundle merrily through, or whether the loco stays on the same level but the wheels dip in with a noticeable bump.
Again - it may work anyway.

Followed all of that Pete. It had never occurred to me adjust the gap for the back to back but makes perfect sense. Also th eidea of having a support at the crossing gap to support the wheel across the gap. This is why I love this site. All the little things I would have had to work to are already solved. I will revisit his in my CAD drawing before printing.

Thanks Pete

I just measured the back to back on the lil Big Hauler wheels. Its right at 40mm . Flanges are about 1.5 MM thick at the base and about 3mm tall. Now that I am thinkin in the right regard as to designing the switch/frog for the wheels I am using makes much more sense to me in figuring it out. Its a more solid approach. So I will sit back down with the drawing and rework it if need be to match the wheels.

I would think the chunky Lil Hauler wheels will be the limiting factor, any thing I design will be finer.