Large Scale Central

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to stay a bit longer in “nit-picker” modus:
i think, that there is an underlaying languageproblem.
in german there is the word “Spurweite” (trackwidth) (today shortened to “Spur” (spoor))
while in english we all use the less specific “gauge” (guage).
and in 1:1 there is used the word “Standardspurweite” (we love long words!) - 1435mm.
when the model/toy train standards were created - (and i don’t believe the old rumours, that the question, if it was first pronounced in england or in germany might have been one of the reasons for WW1) - they were the same. 1,2,3 (in germany written in roman numbers I; II; III)
i do ignore, when the number four was added.
later the smaller scales came. first the “zero”, then, between the wars, “Half zero” and so on.
these first standards all referred to fixed ratios (scales) and gave the width of standardspurweiten (standardspoorwidths) for each.
additional they created letters for different narrow gauges inside the scales. “m” for Meter, “n3” for 3 foot, “n2” for 2 foot and “e” for Half-Standard and finally “i” and “f” for field- and industrial trains.
(that is why germans call LGB a 2m (IIm) scale)

in my eyes your mentioning of a dropped gauge 2 does not look reasonable.
because the “spurs” are well related.

(english) “zero” 1:43.5 is double “half zero” 1:87
“two” 1:22.5 is half of (german) “zero” 1:45
“S” (former H1) 1:64 is double “one” 1:32
“three” 1:16 is half of “one” 1:32
“one” is about two thirds of “zero”
“two” is about two thirds of “one”

if 1:22.5 would be “Gauge 3”, where is then “gauge two”?
one of the latecomers dollhousescale 1:24 or 1:29?
(it can’t be Fn3 in 1:20.3 - that is too big)

/rant & putting away the Lederhosen again. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

I gave up trying to explain it years ago! Life is too short. :grinning: :smiley:

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The only rational explanation I have ever seen:

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Wow, did that open a can of worms. The Wikipedia entry is just rubbish! See if you can make head or tails of it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_gauge

“World of Railways” says:
Gauges 0, 1, 2 and 3 were created to cover the four popular scales at the time.

  • Basic O gauge is to a scale of ¼in to 1ft*
  • Gauge 1 is 3/8in to 1ft*
  • Gauge 2 is 7/16in to 1ft*
  • Gauge 3 is 12/32in or 1/2in to 1ft*
    Which I don’t think is right, either!

My understanding is that Gauge-2 was 2 1/4 inch gauge, which was so close to the 2 1/2" Gauge-3 that it got dropped. I’ve seen articles about Gauge-2 railroads, all in the UK. I was told that the Germans renamed Gauge-3 to Spur II, and LGB advertises its trains are IIm, or which would be 1:22.5 meter gauge.

Great chart that I saved as well. Has anyone heard from or about “Scotty Chaos” since the old MLS days?

Huummm wasn’t he the Lehigh Valley guy? Pretty sure he posted here as well but I ran him off like everyone else!

i see him once or twice a year posting either on GSC or MLS. just as “Scotty”.

thank you for that!
it explains so much.

in GB, but not in europe.
(was that the first Brexit?)

so, for Brits it should be allowed to call LGB “3m”. (i wonder, if that includes not only Canadians, but “colonials” too…)

this answered my question from the last post.

for a split second i was tempted to go on with a discussion about russian “broad-gauge” in relation to the different scales.

but - hat, coat, … where is the door?