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"Ethics" Now here's a good example of hypocrisy

Everything I’ve read doesn’t support a theory of “false information”…just the opposite except for the MSM. And I don’t put much stock in what they report.

There is substantial new evidence emerging from truckloads of documents seized in the days following the fall of the Saddamite regime that the Butcher of Baghdad did, indeed, have direct links to Osama bin Laden’s al-Qa’ida network (links only the most nescient of observers would deny).

Translations of highly detailed Iraqi intelligence reports reveal, among many connections, that senior al-Qa’ida leader Abu Musaab Zarqawi met with Iraqi Intelligence Service officials on numerous occasions just prior to Saddam’s ouster; that Ayman al-Zawahri, Osama bin Laden’s closest adviser, met several times with Iraqi Intelligence Service Deputy Director Faruq Hijazi prior to September 11, 2001; and that al-Qa’ida terrorists with Ansar al-Islam in Northern Iraq operated with impunity under Saddam’s orders. There is also specific evidence that high-level Iraqis traveled to Sudan in the mid-1990s to teach al-Qa’ida operatives how to make sophisticated vehicle bombs similar to those al-Qa’ida used against targets in Saudi Arabia and two U.S. embassies in Africa. This information utterly refutes a June United Nations terrorism-committee report which concluded, at that time, there were no links between Saddam and al-Qa’ida.

The new findings confirm an assertion about the Saddam-al-Qa’ida link by CIA Director George Tenet as far back as October, 2002, when he informed the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, “We have solid reporting of senior-level contacts between Iraq and al-Qa’ida going back a decade. … We have credible reporting that al-Qa’ida leaders sought contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire WMD capabilities.”

I think someone said that was all off topic!! And as another person wrote “the silly season”, very well put! Maybe it is raining at ylur local and you can not run train so you write drevel!

Me, I know how I will vote in Nov and that is that. They can send out the ballots reight now and we can get this whole mees over with. That way I’ll know which way I will be going come January!

Paul

E. Paul Austin said:
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That way I’ll know which way I will be going come January!

Paul


You’re not planning on moving to Alaska, are you? :stuck_out_tongue: :lol: :stuck_out_tongue:

Ken Brunt said:
Everything I've read doesn't support a theory of "false information".........just the opposite except for the MSM. And I don't put much stock in what they report.

There is substantial new evidence emerging from truckloads of documents seized in the days following the fall of the Saddamite regime that the Butcher of Baghdad did, indeed, have direct links to Osama bin Laden’s al-Qa’ida network (links only the most nescient of observers would deny).

Translations of highly detailed Iraqi intelligence reports reveal, among many connections, that senior al-Qa’ida leader Abu Musaab Zarqawi met with Iraqi Intelligence Service officials on numerous occasions just prior to Saddam’s ouster; that Ayman al-Zawahri, Osama bin Laden’s closest adviser, met several times with Iraqi Intelligence Service Deputy Director Faruq Hijazi prior to September 11, 2001; and that al-Qa’ida terrorists with Ansar al-Islam in Northern Iraq operated with impunity under Saddam’s orders. There is also specific evidence that high-level Iraqis traveled to Sudan in the mid-1990s to teach al-Qa’ida operatives how to make sophisticated vehicle bombs similar to those al-Qa’ida used against targets in Saudi Arabia and two U.S. embassies in Africa. This information utterly refutes a June United Nations terrorism-committee report which concluded, at that time, there were no links between Saddam and al-Qa’ida.

The new findings confirm an assertion about the Saddam-al-Qa’ida link by CIA Director George Tenet as far back as October, 2002, when he informed the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, “We have solid reporting of senior-level contacts between Iraq and al-Qa’ida going back a decade. … We have credible reporting that al-Qa’ida leaders sought contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire WMD capabilities.”


Ken,

Pardon me for “rolling on the floor laughing my ass off”.

Just imagine who collected those reports, or who faked them like the ones about the yellow cake. :lol: :lol: :lol:

On the hypocrisy: One item has me always puzzled when talking with US citizens; in all the face to face conversations about the state of the world not one of them apparently voted for Shrub Jr & Co. Sure makes me wonder how they counted the votes in 2004 - we all know how it worked in 2000, don’t we? :wink: :slight_smile: :wink:

OTOH I fully believe that there was a connection between Saddam and al-Qa’ida. Still ROTFLMAO ! ! ! ! :lol: :lol:

That Saddam had first class connections to the later Shrub crew of that there is plenty of documentation, video recorded handshakes and all that other good stuff! :confused:

They had substantial evidence before 9/11 about planes flying into the World Trade center and no one believed it or acted on it. So I guess you can believe what ya wanna believe. According to Rosie O’Donnell it was all planned by Bush anyway…:wink:

Ken Brunt said:
They had substantial evidence before 9/11 about planes flying into the World Trade center and no one believed it or acted on it. So I guess you can believe what ya wanna believe. According to Rosie O'Donnell it was all planned by Bush anyway............;)
She's lying! Shrub Jr. isn't smart enough for that, he'd have his flunkies do it!
Ken Brunt said:
Whoa, dude........easy on the caffeine............Bush didn't authorize the war, Congress did........
Sure, Bush wanted no part of it, fought against going to war but that darned congress dragged him kicking and screaming all the way...

OFF TOPIC…

I know you guys that are American citizens take your politics very seriously…and you should.

BUT…this is a "GENERAL LARGE SCALE, MODEL RAILROAD FORUM…please take the politics to the OF TOPIC area…

THANK YOU IN ADVANCE.

Mark Verbrugge said:
Ken Brunt said:
Whoa, dude........easy on the caffeine............Bush didn't authorize the war, Congress did........
Sure, Bush wanted no part of it, fought against going to war but that darned congress dragged him kicking and screaming all the way...
If he's that bad, then impeach his ass................presidents have had impeachment charges brought up before them for less..........unless of course, there's nothing to substantiate that he lied.

Ken,
as you do not quote sources in any of your supposed qoutes from house members, or the date the quotes were supposedly made, then here is another for your conspiracy theory. ‘It was reported’ that a FBI operative reported to his two superiors that he had suspicions regarding the commercial airline training of several Arab pilots, only months before 9/11. He was promoted sideways and his two superiors who apparently ‘sat on the information’ were promoted to senior managment levels. Conspiracy or simply acting on hindsight?

   Remember that Osama Bin Laden,  like Saddam Hussein,  was a friend of the United States.  Same enemies makes for strange bedfellows.  The U.S. contributed billions to the Saddam regime in the Iran/Iraq war in the 80's,  as did the CIA contribute millions of dollars to fund the insurgency in Afghanistan to support Osama and his followers,  against the Russians.   Offhand,  you would not know who provided the arsenal that Iran had in the 80's would you?  Perhaps it was weapons provided by the U.S. to the Shah of Iran in the 70's?  Also,  who provided Iraq with all its chemicals to manufacture WOMD (Germany) and who provided Iran with the nuclear know-how to enter the nuclear age (France).  Our 'enemies' are funded and supported by our own friends and our own past mistakes in trying to make the world a democracy,  even though history has amply shown that democracies do not work in Arab countries.

   
  Dubya will always be remembered for his failure in Iraq and his incompetence.  Bill was remembered for his White House oval office escapades (and not much else).   The next president will no doubt have some memorable trait,  whether McCain with his beauty queen gun-toting vice-president attachment or Obama with his conservative thinking choice of what a running mate should be.  Either way we are all in for a ride of expectation.  McCain is after the female vote and Obama after the 'white' vote.  Pity an election cannot be run simply on the qualities of the nominee himself (or herself).  Of course then most likely no one would get elected or simply no voter interest.
Fred Mills said:
OFF TOPIC........

I know you guys that are American citizens take your politics very seriously…and you should.

BUT…this is a "GENERAL LARGE SCALE, MODEL RAILROAD FORUM…please take the politics to the OF TOPIC area…

THANK YOU IN ADVANCE.


Fred,

We’re waiting for “Bob the Mover”!

By folks - enjoyed this forum for a while.

Tim Brien said:
Ken, as you do not quote sources in any of your supposed qoutes from house members, or the date the quotes were supposedly made, then here is another for your conspiracy theory. 'It was reported' that a FBI operative reported to his two superiors that he had suspicions regarding the commercial airline training of several Arab pilots, only months before 9/11. He was promoted sideways and his two superiors who apparently 'sat on the information' were promoted to senior managment levels. Conspiracy or simply acting on hindsight?
I've heard that story too. Whether it's true or not, certainly a lot of heads were rolling in the months afterward. As for the sources, they're all part of the public and congressional record. (Someone posted a "youtube" video of the congressmen.)
  <blockquote><strong>Quote: </strong><br />Remember that Osama Bin Laden,  like Saddam Hussein,  was a friend of the United States.  Same enemies makes for strange bedfellows.  The U.S. contributed billions to the Saddam regime in the Iran/Iraq war in the 80's,  as did the CIA contribute millions of dollars to fund the insurgency in Afghanistan to support Osama and his followers,  against the Russians.   Offhand,  you would not know who provided the arsenal that Iran had in the 80's would you?  Perhaps it was weapons provided by the U.S. to the Shah of Iran in the 70's?  Also,  who provided Iraq with all its chemicals to manufacture WOMD (Germany) and who provided Iran with the nuclear know-how to enter the nuclear age (France).  Our 'enemies' are funded and supported by our own friends and our own past mistakes in trying to make the world a democracy,  even though history has amply shown that democracies do not work in Arab countries.

   
  Dubya will always be remembered for his failure in Iraq and his incompetence.  Bill was remembered for his White House oval office escapades (and not much else).   The next president will no doubt have some memorable trait,  whether McCain with his beauty queen gun-toting vice-president attachment or Obama with his conservative thinking choice of what a running mate should be.  Either way we are all in for a ride of expectation.  McCain is after the female vote and Obama after the 'white' vote.  Pity an election cannot be run simply on the qualities of the nominee himself (or herself).  Of course then most likely no one would get elected or simply no voter interest.</blockquote>

Whether it’s a failure or not remains to be seen, as is whether a democracy will work. So far it’s been successful and troop levels have been reduced. 10,000 more troops are on their way to Afghanistan.

So I guess we better end this thread before Fred runs nekkid through the streets of Ottawa screaming at the full moon…:wink:

Tim,

The Mainstream Media has really got you… You need to find some better sources of info… Bush will be remembered for staying the course & winning in Iraq… Bill will be remembered for lying, not the sex in the White House…

Bob Burton said:
Tim,

The Mainstream Media has really got you… You need to find some better sources of info… Bush will be remembered for staying the course & winning in Iraq… Bill will be remembered for lying, not the sex in the White House…


Spoken like a devout Republican…Take off your blinders.
At least I can admit some of the serious mistakes made by Clinton…besides the missteps in is personal life.
Bush’s presidency will be remembered by the rest of the world as the failure it is. You can’t change history…until all those that have lived through it are dead.
Ralph

I don’t base my judgment of President Bush on his foreign policy. I only need to look at what happened to the economy in the two terms he has served.
As the famous philanderer once said, " It’s the economy, stupid".

The rumor is that Santa Claus took the terrorists to the North Pole to give them flight training in the sleigh. Meanwhile we were pumping money into Santa’s organization to help stimulate our economy through Christmas spending. Then global warming became a threat to Santa’s empire by melting it. So we started using nuclear submarines to ship materials to Santa in turn for the sleigh’s stealth technology.

If you are going to believe wild conspiracy theories, you might as well make it a good one.

John

Hans-Joerg Mueller said:

Fred Mills said:
OFF TOPIC… I know you guys that are American citizens take your politics very seriously…and you should. BUT…this is a "GENERAL LARGE SCALE, MODEL RAILROAD FORUM…please take the politics to the OF TOPIC area… THANK YOU IN ADVANCE.

Fred, We’re waiting for “Bob the Mover”!

Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez! guy’s this was a joke sent to me by my accountant!!! Did not realize it should go to the Off topic section, but also DID NOT think you rivet counters would take so serious, and take off on another 22 page rant either. IT WAS A JOKE SENT TO ME IT WAS A JOKE SENT TO ME !!! get over yourselfs!!! I HATE POLITICS TOO, BUT I LOVE THE JOKES!!!

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Hey Jerry,

How can I download the animated BS meter? All I seem to get is one of the four frames.

Ralph,

I got my blinders off… You speak like a devout Democrat… You are the reason the economy is in the tank, you have forced us to be dependent on foriegn oil because of 40 years of no drilling here for oil, no new refineries, no new nuclear power plants, no ugly wind farms near me, no new transmission lines near me…

Steve Featherkile said:
Hey Jerry,

How can I download the animated BS meter? All I seem to get is one of the four frames.


Steve you should be able to right click on your computer and then click on save image as. It should then save to your my pictures file. The Regal