What a hateful way to treat others property. Yes they should pay for the restoration,
My understanding is that the police caught the vandals who did the NYMR coaches last summer, and they were released on bail. As far as I know they are unlikely to get more than a slap on the wrist.
Maynard, there are means to cover that situation. I would like to see the ‘garnishment’ of pay used more often in situations like that. Keep the amount low so as not to break the individual, but the constant reminder of 5-10% of his paycheck disappearing every pay day will soon become a very chilling reminder of what not to do.
Unfortunately, ‘tagging’ is not the only issue where we adults give mixed messages to our young folk. To stay on topic though, I have heard the argument that the tagging is a free paint job for the car owner. Maybe so, maybe not. What is the cost of recovering all the reporting marks so the car can be utilized? Or the cost to cover up some ‘socially unacceptable’ tagging? Not to mention that most taggers, if you offered to pay them to paint the cars, there would be no interest. The interest is in the adrenaline rush to tag the car without getting caught.
I will openly admit I was disappointed when Stan and others started to offer ‘tagging decals’ for our models. I kinda felt like they were betraying what is right. On the other hand they are business people and need to sell what the customer wants. I am disappointed in the customers that want it.
Ken Brunt said:
Rooster did it. He loves tagging cars…
I don’t do steam era(modern or not) taggin as it’s disrespectful
Since when did you get particular??
edit…on second thought, I take it all back!
The following is a comment on the vandalism of the coaches of the Severn Valley Railway… from the local newspaper where the incident happened… says a lot for progressive thinking…
"Having graffiti daubed all over walls in town parks, on boards in the town centre, in our subways, inside our canal tunnels and (for many years) on the bridge right next to the SVR has been positively applauded and encouraged by the local council, who have been intent on making what should be a pleasant suburban market town look like an inner city dump for years.
Nobody should be surprised when the sort of environment degrading vandalism that the town council have spent decades normalising is carried out in exactly the sort of location that the “artform” developed in - on train carriages."
David Marconi, FOGCH said:
David Maynard said:
David Marconi, FOGCH said:
What a hateful way to treat others property. Yes they should pay for the restoration, but we all know that won’t happen and having them involved in the work would probably create more damage as they know not what they do.
But not to long ago copying the vandalism on freight cars was ok and should be copied in our models for our kids to see because " man that’s neat" My what mixed messages we send.
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Well, that there is a can of worms. Some people are real passionate about the issue no matter what side they are on. But if one is going to faithfully copy reality in miniature…
Well I guess that just says that you didn’t learn much of a lesson cleaning the ink off your desk now did ja(https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-cool.gif)
I did. I only said that if one was going to faithfully copy reality…
I can see both sides of the issue. I didn’t say I agreed with tagging, even in miniature. But if we are going to truly model reality, then a tagged car would not be out of place. I didn’y say that I would tag a car, nor that I want to see a string of cars tagged. In my mind, the word “tag”, is a sanitized word to make the act of vandalism sound less vulgar then the act is.
This brings to mind that tattoos are vandalism you do to yourself.
Forrest Scott Wood said:
This brings to mind that tattoos are vandalism you do to yourself.
Having spent 8 yrs in the Royal Navy I never had a tattoo…I saw the results when they went bad!!
I have some mixed thoughts on this, as I have posted a thread here on having my 6 grandkids tag 3 boxcars. #1 I dont think that aany of them will turn into “graffitti artists” and they are respectful of other peoples property. We did have some discussions about how bad this looks on a neighborhood wall or building. I told them this is only OK because I have allowed them to do it to the car I got just for that purpose. But just as some weather nice new cars and locomotives, I think if you do that to modern equipment you will add some authentic look by adding some grafffitti. Most of all by having my grandkids do a car it gets them involved as they want to see “their car” and maybe they will get more involved with the hobby.
BUT in no way do I think marking up those restore historic cars was anything less than destroying public property
Forrest Scott Wood said:
This brings to mind that tattoos are vandalism you do to yourself.
Forrest yea. I find myself saying, when I see a good looking girl covered in tattoos, “Hey, lets take a pretty girl, and make her look like a highway overpass on the wrong side of town.”
Don’t get me going on the stupidity you guys are speaking of…I must remember that one about a woman looking like graffiti on a railroad overpass on the wrong side of town. I wish I had known that, and used it on a twit I knew a number of years ago…
Fred Mills
Pete Lassen said:
I have some mixed thoughts on this, as I have posted a thread here on having my 6 grandkids tag 3 boxcars. #1 I dont think that aany of them will turn into “graffitti artists” and they are respectful of other peoples property. We did have some discussions about how bad this looks on a neighborhood wall or building. I told them this is only OK because I have allowed them to do it to the car I got just for that purpose. But just as some weather nice new cars and locomotives, I think if you do that to modern equipment you will add some authentic look by adding some grafffitti. Most of all by having my grandkids do a car it gets them involved as they want to see “their car” and maybe they will get more involved with the hobby.
BUT in no way do I think marking up those restore historic cars was anything less than destroying public property
And Pete I thoroughly enjoyed both seeing and reading your car marking post, AND did not even start to relate the memories you created with any form of vandalism.
That was a very original way of including your entire family in your hobby. They did not vandalize those cars, you asked them to create memories. (https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-cool.gif)
Some people will not be civilized no matter what you do. They will never be up to it. We have it in our country as you well know, but because so many families in our country are dysfunctional, nobody keeps up with the kids like they used to. If I had participated in something like this when I was young, my mom would have been waiting on me when I got home because someone would have called her. Unfortunately, so many parents do not care anymore.
Pete, you provided the canvas…
David Marconi, FOGCH said:
Pete Lassen said:
I have some mixed thoughts on this, as I have posted a thread here on having my 6 grandkids tag 3 boxcars. #1 I dont think that aany of them will turn into “graffitti artists” and they are respectful of other peoples property. We did have some discussions about how bad this looks on a neighborhood wall or building. I told them this is only OK because I have allowed them to do it to the car I got just for that purpose. But just as some weather nice new cars and locomotives, I think if you do that to modern equipment you will add some authentic look by adding some grafffitti. Most of all by having my grandkids do a car it gets them involved as they want to see “their car” and maybe they will get more involved with the hobby.
BUT in no way do I think marking up those restore historic cars was anything less than destroying public property
And Pete I thoroughly enjoyed both seeing and reading your car marking post, AND did not even start to relate the memories you created with any form of vandalism.
That was a very original way of including your entire family in your hobby. They did not vandalize those cars, you asked them to create memories. (https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-cool.gif)
Bingo. My daughter “graffitied” one of the Macks in my fleet and a boxcar with all kind of princess stuff when she was eight and I’ve never seen a more wonderful locomotive in my life.
Now, then, if your kids or grandkids happen to be members of a street gang and tag your model trains without asking, then we got another story. Let’s hope this doesn’t apply to anyone around here.
Thanks David, Bob and John, I was just kind of responding to the encourages it part of the discussion. I, like John, will never get rid of these cars, and when I am gone they will go to the kids that did them, as part of Poppa Pete’s legacy.
Ron Hill said:
Some people will not be civilized no matter what you do. They will never be up to it. We have it in our country as you well know, but because so many families in our country are dysfunctional, nobody keeps up with the kids like they used to. If I had participated in something like this when I was young, my mom would have been waiting on me when I got home because someone would have called her. Unfortunately, so many parents do not care anymore.
Ron, yea. And then there is the philosophy that if it feels good do it. Too many folks no longer respect others, nor take responsibility for their own actions.
Looking at the pictures, it seams to me that the cars were just painted (no, I am not making light of that). But if that is all that was done, they can be stripped and refinished. At least there was no irreparable damage done.
When I was growing up we traveled by car. Did you not see peoples initials carved in rock faces? I did, usually high up where some love struck young buck would leave his mark.
Heck there are even places where pioneers left theirs along the way.
Only the paint is new.
David Maynard said:
Looking at the pictures, it seams to me that the cars were just painted (no, I am not making light of that). But if that is all that was done, they can be stripped and refinished. At least there was no irreparable damage done.
David could you just clarify - you don’t mean the pictures of the vandalised SVR coaches at the head of this thread. Please say no.
