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Dexter-Turbine Windmill Project

Most fascinating and thank you gentleman for the photos. It wasn’t a local trip, I gather, so that in itself is worth praising.

As a child I lived near an old windmill which had been a flour mill. I was fortunate in that when it was demolished I had moved away so never saw the destruction. There are many mills, of varying type here in the UK and I am sure any radio hams will have heard or worked them when it is Mills On The Air.

Hollywood, thanks for the great pics and comments. I totally agree, what a great host; Jay spent two hours with Linda and me, half of it being them talking about Picasso and cubist art (did you notice his collection on the walls in his house?). Anyway, great experience for us, I’m glad you and Ken had it as well.

He seemed to have a wide range of collections. I liked the antique books in the upstairs turret area

David Marconi,FOGCH said:

He seemed to have a wide range of collections. I liked the antique books in the upstairs turret area

Not to mention the model stationary steam engines.

Ken Brunt said:

David Marconi,FOGCH said:

He seemed to have a wide range of collections. I liked the antique books in the upstairs turret area

Not to mention the model stationary steam engines.

gay …no Amtrak in this thread

Forrest Scott Wood said:

Hey Cliff, if I might go off on a V&T tangent momentarily;

the right side of those images brings up V&T question which I’ve not yet found the answer to. Knowing that B&W photography records reflectance of surfaces as much as, and sometimes more than, the tones of hues, can it be inferred that the roofs of those 2 passenger cars are a lighter hue than black?

I have books which document the various reds, greens, yellows, passenger cars wore through the years but they do not address roof hues.

Note the just barely visible 3 passenger car roofs behind the timber train, to left of passenger cars which are on train, and how dark they appear compared to the 2 passenger cars on the train.

Is that a difference in reflectance or a difference in hue?

And again, do these passenger car roofs appear light because of reflectance or because of hue?

So, here’s what I did about 7 years ago with my slooooooooooooooowly progressing repaint of Bachmann’s V&T Silverado set.

Yeah, I know, V&T 26 was not of the bright and shiny locomotive era, but that’s how Bachmann decorated it, so, after repainting the boiler jacketing from sky blue to a ‘more realistic’ hue I’m taking that and running with it.

Roofs are tan - and back to that reflectance thing, they appear a slightly lighter tan in image than they do to the eye.

Locomotive cab roof is light grey, which I’ve seen used some.

Forrest, I’ve asked the V&T group, and all I got is that the passenger car & cab roofs were covered with thin sheet metal, which was painted. A prominent historian is Mike Collins (former curator at CSRM, and highly knowledgeable of the V&T), and he says the paint color varied, with gray (on V&T coach #16) being an example.

So we’re not limited to tar / black, which is good to know. If one wanted to stick with colors of typical asbestos fireproof roofing paint of the day, this page by the Pacific Narrow Gauge group is a great resource.

Cliff

Cliff Jennings said:

Forrest, I’ve asked the V&T group, and all I got is that the passenger car & cab roofs were covered with thin sheet metal, which was painted. A prominent historian is Mike Collins (former curator at CSRM, and highly knowledgeable of the V&T), and he says the paint color varied, with gray (on V&T coach #16) being an example.

So we’re not limited to tar / black, which is good to know. If one wanted to stick with colors of typical asbestos fireproof roofing paint of the day, this page by the Pacific Narrow Gauge group is a great resource.

Yes, I saw that you did; :smiley: have been in V&Tmodelers1869, and Virginia and Truckee, since November 2003 for at least one & since 2010 for the other, while they were still on Yahoo.
Used to also be in Early Rail Yahoo Group but with my health declining a bit further in last couple years I have dropped out of several of the various hobby groups and forums and stopped Early Rail when they moved to Groups IO but I kept the V&T memberships.

Since 1869? You are older then I thought you were.

Back to the model, I received the brown plex last week, and was hoping to do a gob of lasering. But I didn’t get far, because the thing wouldn’t cut. After repeated passes and only a etched lines, it was clear something was wrong.

I spent much of yesterday and this morning trying to diagnose and fix; but the eventual finding was that my tube was toast. Another is on order ($280, ow), so I should be back up and running for next weekend. I did get this cut (finally!), it’s the structural core of the water tank. Hollywood, this is from the material you gave me, originally from Jon [<<— edited to delete the H out of Jon]; thanks both!

And the 3d printed parts came in, which I’m very happy with (especially their price).

More next weekend,

===>Cliffy

Jon will be glad to see his efforts put to good use Cliff. Nice work so far I take it you drew up the printed parts.(https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-cool.gif)

Thanks Hollywood, much appreciated.

And yep, I did those as part of the overall computer model.

A bit of update. My laser tube replacement this last week went well, except that it machine still doesn’t cut. So I’ll have a new power supply tomorrow, and hopefully that’ll take care of things. Apparently the two of them routinely wear out, bummer. But I’ve been keeping myself busy, mainly with writing an article on the Turbine Windmill and its last standing cousin down under in Coonong, NSW, Australia, which burned down in 1984.

Yesterday I ran across a really cool set of drawings on another Turbine Windmill located in Napoli, NY. The thing was drawn up in 1977 before it was taken down soon after; haven’t found any photos from before that though. According to windmill guru T. Lindsay Baker, the was reconstructed at the Glover’s Mill Energy Center, in Randolph NY. But I can’t find other mention or proof of that either.

The drawings can be viewed / downloaded in hi-res from the Library of Congress. They were done by professional architects / draftsmen by HAER / Nat’l Park Service. BTW, the drawing notes opine the mill to have been based on a patent by Koeppe in 1888, but that’s completely different. By the shutter linkage alone, and means of shutter operation (Koeppe’s was automatic, at least in an optimistic sense), this was clearly a Southwick mill.

Would be a fun mill for a free-lancer to model! Especially with a working rotor. (http://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-laughing.gif)

I got most of the brass cut & prepped yesterday.

Here’s my “lathe.” I use this to spin the brass rod or tube while holding a tube cutter (for cutting) or file (for external deburring) or drill bit (for internal deburring). My measuring and marking is equally rudimentary, using a line scratched through a sharpie mark. That gets really tedious with any quantity of the same part…

Has anyone found an easier way to do this sort of thing (with brass), with better precision and a way to repeat the cut lengths?

A bandsaw with a metal blade in it. Bundle a few together, course you need a band saw first…(https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-wink.gif)

Order precuts ?

To add:

https://www.ksmetals.com/search-results/q-cut%2520to%2520order%253F

I have a Micromark scroll saw, with metal blades, but they don’t last and tend to easily break with brass. But yes, I can see that a bandsaw would work much better.

The Proxxon and Micromark ones look nice, and I like their provisions for cutting small stuff. But, a little too pricey for me at this point.

The 9" band saws are pretty cheap, but I’d have to clear away some room… hmmm. I’ll think it over, thanks Ken.

Thanks Dave, I just emailed them to ask if they still do it, and for some pricing guidelines if they do.

Cliff,

Ask Hollywood how many pre-cuts he has ordered ?

Love the Lathe …It’s my lathe of choice when I model …however I prefer the Irwin 53006 for my trigger control.

Thanks Rooster, I’m glad I’m not the only one!

And I’ll soon need to get a new drill, mine’s getting all chucked up. Like, the bearings seem to be wobbly.

I’ve used the pointed ends on my calipers to make light marks on metal… the locking feature led me to try it.

Image result for calipers and micrometers"

I use the jaws with the disc in the illustration, slightly over the end and scribe with the other, lathe on slow, wet finger for brace.

I dunno, this reminds me of work… I hope you are having fun!(https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-surprised.gif)