Nice work, Rooster! Of the 300+ ads and articles I’ve clipped, I don’t think I have that first ad you posted. Can you tell me what a paper & date?
Yes, that third item explains the whole division between Dexter and Turbine versions – how Southwick’s original partners kicked him out in a sneaky way. That’s when S filed his second patent. And with some good legal help, he prevailed and the Dexter group faded away.
Cliff Jennings said:
Forest, those are great questions. I don’t know if reflectance can infer anything other than just that; maybe someone here might know?
All I can suggest is to pin down the material composition. For example, tar paper (with occasionally re-applied tar) vs. painted. I’ll ask a V&T historian (Stephen Drew).
Thanks. A number of passenger cars of the mid-late 1860s to late 1800s had roofs sheathed with tin, usually smaller sheets with soldered joints.
Text in Mallory Hope Ferrells’s V&T book Bonanza Road comments via quotes from contemporary news items on the several hues used, plus trim colors, and even truck colors, but not roof hues.
Since it mentions use of tan trucks with one of the red/maroon/wine liveries in 1800s I decided to go with similar on roof after seeing accounts and restorations of other 1860, 1870, maybe also early 1880, cars with tan roofs.
And we now return to our regularly scheduled windmill thread.
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David Marconi,FOGCH said:
With that info I’d enjoy getting over to see it with ya Ken. good excuse for breakfast, maybe get Rooster to meet with us though you can’t get him to leave his coop. Holler if you’d like. Maybe Cliff can drive there too. (https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-cool.gif)
I’ll swing by and pick you guys up on my way to Cliffs house just so I can choke him for getting me sucked into this !
Cliff Jennings said:
Nice work, Rooster! I don’t think I have that first ad, can you tell me what a paper & date?
I don’t know Cliff I clicked it off and cleared my cache cause I have no time to go down rabbit holes!!
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Cliff Jennings said:
Nice work, Rooster! Of the 300+ ads and articles I’ve clipped, I don’t think I have that first ad you posted.
Only 300+ ??? Come on you slacker !
Yeah, and that’s after avoiding all the repeat ads… (https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-foot-in-mouth.gif)
Cliff, found this on newspapers.com -
Yerington Times_May 30, 1875_Turbine Dexter Windmill Company ad from SF
Well, Cliff, your project has certainly aroused great interest here. It is always fascinating to read about unusual structures on railroads; I guess you will have your work cut out building this turbine. An ideal project for the winter period when many outdoor railroads are mothballed or covered in snow for sure and your progress with its construction will be eagerly watched.
I must look out for popcorn in the superstore, I guess mine sell it. (https://largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-wink.gif)
David Marconi,FOGCH said:
With that info I’d enjoy getting over to see it with ya Ken. good excuse for breakfast, maybe get Rooster to meet with us though you can’t get him to leave his coop. Holler if you’d like. Maybe Cliff can drive there too. (https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-cool.gif)
Sounds like a plan. Maybe sometime after this supposed blizzard we’re getting. And make it during the week, so Rooster has to work…(https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-wink.gif)(https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-cool.gif)
Ken Brunt said:
David Marconi,FOGCH said:
With that info I’d enjoy getting over to see it with ya Ken. good excuse for breakfast, maybe get Rooster to meet with us though you can’t get him to leave his coop. Holler if you’d like. Maybe Cliff can drive there too. (https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-cool.gif)
Sounds like a plan. Maybe sometime after this supposed blizzard we’re getting. And make it during the week, so Rooster has to work…(https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-wink.gif)(https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-cool.gif)
RONFL Works for me, him not so much(https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-cool.gif)
Maybe the above pic will help you decide Forrest I got it from:
Or about the 23rd listed railroad on their misc.V railroads here:
http://rr-fallenflags.org/misc-v/misc-v.html
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Rooster ’ said:
David Marconi,FOGCH said:
With that info I’d enjoy getting over to see it with ya Ken. good excuse for breakfast, maybe get Rooster to meet with us though you can’t get him to leave his coop. Holler if you’d like. Maybe Cliff can drive there too. (https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-cool.gif)
I’ll swing by and pick you guys up on my way to Cliffs house just so I can choke him for getting me sucked into this !
You’re just tired of the same old feed and want to go to breakfast. But we’ll include you
Alan Lott said:
Well, Cliff, your project has certainly aroused great interest here. It is always fascinating to read about unusual structures on railroads; I guess you will have your work cut out building this turbine. An ideal project for the winter period when many outdoor railroads are mothballed or covered in snow for sure and your progress with its construction will be eagerly watched.
I must look out for popcorn in the superstore, I guess mine sell it. (https://largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-wink.gif)
Thanks Alan, and yes I will have my work cut out for me! But it could have been MUCH worse. Thanks to my dear wife’s wise intervention (“You want to pay WHAT to ship that thing out for just one stupid conference?!?”), the entire base, and much of the superstructure, was remodeled for lasering. This critical decision led to not only the flattenable tower, but also greatly reduced wood part count, a more accurate and speedy build, and better survivability in the elements when I plant it in the back yard. (https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-laughing.gif)(https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-innocent.gif)
And you bet, this is my big winter project (though I hope to get the bulk of it done in December). It’ll be a breeze… (https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-foot-in-mouth.gif)(https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-cry.gif)(https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-frown.gif)(https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-laughing.gif)
David Marconi,FOGCH said:
Rooster ’ said:
David Marconi,FOGCH said:
With that info I’d enjoy getting over to see it with ya Ken. good excuse for breakfast, maybe get Rooster to meet with us though you can’t get him to leave his coop. Holler if you’d like. Maybe Cliff can drive there too. (https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-cool.gif)
I’ll swing by and pick you guys up on my way to Cliffs house just so I can choke him for getting me sucked into this !
You’re just tired of the same old feed and want to go to breakfast. But we’ll include you
BTW, these windmills are on the property of a business that makes cool “architectural” fans, and the gentleman in charge is Jay McGinnis. From what I gather in bast emailing with him, Jay’s working there during the week, and it’s easier to see his windmills then. But he also seems interested to show what he’s built. Here’s his contact info:
https://www.architecturalfans.com/contact-woolen-mill/
If you get there before I do, tell him Cliff sent you! (https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-laughing.gif)
Mark Hadler said:
Cliff, found this on newspapers.com -
Yerington Times_May 30, 1875_Turbine Dexter Windmill Company ad from SF
Thanks Mark, yes indeed, I have that article, and it’s a pivotal one! It describes that separation between the Dexter and the new Turbine windmill companies.
I love newspapers.com, I paid for a 6-month gig from them, just for this project. And I’m glad I did!
Here’s a related rabbit I’m chasing, and it’s been a wild hare. For a railroad use, Southwick consistently advertised that his windmill+tank would be perfect for railroads, and even illustrated it in that use (this is a detail from the ad in my first post).
I had thought that this was the original use of the Mound House windmill. But no; though it’s beside the tracks, and elevated enough for a tender-filling spout to be present, such a spout was never installed there. This is because it was quickly discovered that the Mound House water was highly corrosive, and the loco boiler tubes would have been quickly damaged. So, the V&T did not use this tower for train watering.
I was bummed to learn that. But just because, I’ve wondered if this windmill was ever used in a train-watering capacity. After long plowing through newpapers.com and other resources, the only instance I’ve seen of a railroad buying this windmill is just south of Philadelphia, in Paschalville, on the short-lived Philadelphia, Wilmington and Baltimore RR. Only a library seems to bear the name of Paschalville, since all appears to be absorbed into Philly suburbia.
I’ve written to the library, and basically if they have archival photos of the windmill there, I’ll have to go up and look. And that might happen if and when I retire.
That’s all I got on the history side of a RR application. On the modeling side, I couldn’t help myself from attempting a 1:24 version last summer. I’ll try to resurrect that model and show a pic or two.
But if any of you know of a Turbine or Dexter Windmill being used for railroad use, please let me know!!
A number of Turbine Windmills were installed in New Jersey, by the way.
===>Cliffy
Here’s my model of the railroad version, complete with the tall / big wood tower that it would have cost $150 extra to ship back and forth on Southwest (plus the cost of the crate). The design is totally conjectural; it forces a spout onto the Mound House structure, which wouldn’t have happened. Tank is way too high, the water force would have blasted the spout away from the tender. But, sometimes fantasy is funner, and physics and history just need to play ball. (https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-laughing.gif)
I guess you need a reducing valve at the spout elbow. (https://largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-wink.gif)
So by saying you want this functional, does that mean actually pumping water to fill the tank? Or just adjusting the various vane angles and spinning in the wind?
Are you planning a scale well being drilled to match? 
[edited to correct typo]