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Cordless Renovations, LLC Acquires RCS

I’ve looked up the word refrain in several dictionaries. There is no ambiguity there. Refrain not only means don’t do something, but: “to abstain from an impulse to say or do something” - like the impulse to announce the purchase right away even when there seems to an agreement with the “group of 4” to keep it low key.

With the obvious (and uncontested) fact that the RCS name was offered for sale and not purchased, it’s an indefensible position… yes many companies have initials of RCS, my initials are GE, but General Electric is not interested in me because I don’t sell the same product.

The real problem here is the spirit of the situation. This is a small community and we tend to think of our vendors as partners, we take care of them by buying, they take care of us by being honest and forthright and giving us good value for the dollar.

When this is “violated” on either side, it’s not a good thing, and people notice.

Regards, Greg

Kevin Strong said:
Not really. In many similar transactions, it's the technology that's the important thing. It's very common in software circles where a company will buy the technology from another company with a complimentary product, then migrate that product into their own. They don't buy the software company, just the software. The distinction here is that RCS is a company, and was not sold. The "Elite" is the specific technology/product line which was purchased.

As for using the name, the phrase “refrain from using” is very clear cut in terms of legality. Cordless Renovation is prohibited from using “RCS” to brand their acquired product line, period. Again, they did not buy RCS the company. They bought a specific product line of that company, and has no expectation that they would be able to use that overall corporate identity.

The grey area comes in terms of making reference to the product line’s compatibility. While Cordless Renovations contractually cannot call their product “RCS,” they should have a reasonable expectation that they can indicate their acquired technology is compatible with the existing RCS-branded products. That’s an important distinction to make. They would not be branding their product “RCS,” merely making the important note in their supporting literature for the consumer that their product line is compatible with the stuff that used to be made by RCS. It seems to me that one of the purposes of this sale was to ensure future support for existing customers, since RCS as a company has seemingly decided to go a different direction technologically. To then go and tell the purchaser that they can’t make mention of any compatibility seems to fly counter to the goal of continued support for your existing customers. Cordless Renovations could do that with a statement such as “Our XYZ control equipment is fully compatible with RCS ‘Elite’ Equipment.” We see that with other control systems where cross-compatibility is a selling point. (For that matter, we’ve long seen that with many products described as being “Compatible with LGB.”) It shouldn’t be incumbent upon the consumer to just “know” the compatibility of products.

Later,

K


Actually Kevin, whether or not it could be said the ELITE range is compatible with the current Remote Control Systems (RCS) range is a non issue.
There is no compatibility.
The Elsema R/C based ELITE operating system was acquired in total by the “Group” and is not compatible with the current RCS system, which uses only 2.4 GHz 5/6 channel stick radios. I am using an all new hardware design as well as completely new software written by Del Tapparo.

Likewise my current RCS control systems cannot operate the old ELITE series ESC’s.

Mr Goodson and the “Group” were entitled to security against me backtracking on the deal. This ensured I could not.
I deliberately kept the sale of the rights to use Remote Control Systems (RCS) as a separate deal, even though the price I asked was very reasonable in my opinion. Now I realise just how valuable the name is, as Mr Isard has shown how desperately he wanted it. I would still be prepared to sell the rights to use the Remote Control Systems name and initials RCS together with the web domain name, but now there is an extra 0 added to the $ amount I was originally prepared to sell for.

The “Group” and now Mr Isard will have everything they need to keep the Elsema R/C based ELITE series ESC’s in the market place. They will have to come up with their own corporate name. In fact, via Mr Goodson, I offered to create the artwork for the “Group” and rewrite the instructions for them. That offer was declined.

John Joseph Sauer said:
Seems like it would be pretty senseless to buy the rights to a product line and not be able to use the name. If I bought BMW for example I don't think I would want to change the brand name to something different like "Cool German Sports Cars"....
JJS or whoever you choose to sign off as today.

Using a product consumed by a purchaser as an example is stretching credibility a bit. It is not the same as a manufacturer acquiring the rights to produce something.

A much closer analogy would be to observe the sale of various older model motor cars to India. These were destined to continue in production under different names.
The old Morris Oxford is one. That continued from the 50’s right up until a year or so ago.
Likewise the old Rover 3500 which was acquired by India when the Brits deemed the model run was over.
Another example going to India is a small Suzuki sedan. None of those kept their original brand names.

Then you have the example of the old Renault 12 going to Romania to continue in production under another name.

There was a Fiat that went to Russia.

The list is virtually endless.

The ELITE series went to a purchaser to continue in production under another name.
Get it now??

I get it but apparently the “group” your doing business with don’t… :slight_smile:

Now they do.

John Joseph Sauer said:
Seems like it would be pretty senseless to buy the rights to a product line and not be able to use the name. If I bought BMW for example I don't think I would want to change the brand name to something different like "Cool German Sports Cars"....
True, then there is the inverse with keeping product on both sides of the wall for a short period with the GDR division using the EMW name until moving on to IFA/Wartburg.

Interesting read so far.

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... The Elsema R/C based ELITE operating system was acquired in total by the "Group" and is not compatible with the current RCS system
Yes, that's clear. But it [i]would[/i] be compatible with the "RCS"-branded Elsema R/C based ELITE throttles that we've purchased over the years. That's the compatibility of which I speak. I think Cordless Renovations has a clear expectation to be able to mention that compatibility in their literature. It's certainly in the best interest of the consumer for them to be able to do so. Old customers can get new parts to work with their existing stuff, and new customers will be able to confidently buy the product knowing (a) it will work with the older stuff they may acquire down the road on the 2nd-hand market, and (b) the technology has a long and solid track record.

Later,

K

During WW2, Rolls-Royce gave Packard the ‘rights’ to produce the Merlin engine for fitment to the P-51 Mustang. The Merlin achieved its fame installed in the Spitfire and later several other airframes, including the Lancaster bomber. Now depending which side of the Atlantic one lived, which engine was better made was a biassed opinion. Production rights were also bestowed on the Rover company.

The Rover-built ‘Merlin’ engines finished up in tanks as the war progressed. These of cause were not built to the same standards as the engines intended for aircraft usage. As the holder of bestowed rights, a manufacturer trades on the goodwill, build quality and service provided by the previous owner. To earn that goodwill, the current right’s holder must conduct his business to at least the standards set by the previous manufacturer.

Now, the Packard built ‘Merlins’ were not referred to as being Rolls-Royce engines, as were the Rover-sourced engines not compared to those built by Rolls-Royce. Compatability, in my opinion, constitutes a degree of quality in the new product when compared to the original sourced part. If a part is deemed to be able to be used in place of another, then it assumes that it carries out all the functions as found in the original part. Recently, the forum had a posting on ‘cloned’ receivers at a fraction of the price of the OEM part. Now, while these cloned parts no doubt did the same functions, is one able to immediately assume that they are the same quality and will compare favourably as regards ongoing functionality in the years ahead. The astute buyer would immediately consider these knockoffs as a limited lifespan part. However, if the OEM manufacturer had bestowed full production rights to the clone company, then that company is beholden to continue production at the standards practised by the OEM manufacturer.

Hello Kevin.
You make a valid point.
Given that the system sold by me to the “group” was mostly compatible with Elsema R/C based Remote Control Systems equipment built by me up until the sale date, then, yes it should be mostly compatible in that sense, with all the “old” equipment.
The intention of Mr Goodson and myself all along was to make sure that supply of the ELITE series was maintained and remained backwardly compatible with older equipment.
It is not possible to guarantee backward compatibility with all older Remote Control Systems equipment as the ESC models did changed over the years. Changes to the way the RX was connected to the ESC part, precludes direct part compatibility.
Nonetheless, All of the TX’s will work with all of the RX’s.

As a gesture of goodwill towards the new owner, I will permit the new owner to say in his advertising that his “new brand” of equipment , whatever that brand name may be, is mostly compatible with Elsema R/C based Remote Control Systems equipment built up until the date of sale.
Assuming of course nothing gets changed by the new owner. That I have no control over.
The offer is subject of course to the wording meeting my approval.

I might add that all of the existing ELITE series unbuilt pcb’s I had in stock at the sale date have now been delivered to Mr Goodson, as prescribed in the signed agreement.

Keep it going guys!!
I sure am enjoying this thread!!

Bob.
Based on the public promises here, and elsewhere, of Mr Isard to cease all reference of Remote Control Systems and RCS, I am more than willing to let this drop.

However, Mr Isard still has the original press release up on his website (exactly the same as the original posting here) and that will have to go before he can expect any more co-operation from me.

Mr Isard seems to say one thing and then does another.