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#61

Interesting how some foreigners can tell us how we should deal with the ILLEGAL immigrant scourge that is burying this country, but those same rules don’t apply to their countries. A couple of examples:

When I lived (with legal residence permission and a work visa) in the UK, the punishment for being there illegally (after a pro-forma hearing) was deportation with the offender’s passport typically stamped with a lengthy or even permanent prohibition against re-entry into the UK. There was certainly no offer of citizenship.

Germany (where I also had legal residence permission and a work visa) had essentially the same laws concerning illegal immigration, with the exception that they could and would hold the offender in jail for a lengthy time while they were getting ready for the hearing and deportation. I actually met a young American girl who was being held for violation of her tourist visa. She got to Germany on a student holiday, met a new boyfriend, got a menial job and just stayed. She wound up spending almost 4 months in the German prison system prior to being deported, again with a prohibition against returning. Absolutely no offer of citizenship.

Singapore (where I have also legally worked) has a similar system, but they commonly cane the offender prior to him being taken to the bridge to Malaysia, passport stamped with the prohibition against re-entry, then let go into the hands of the Malay police who are really not very kind to the offenders. That story was reported in the Singapore newspapers often enough that not many committed the CRIME of ILLEGAL immigration into Singapore.

How is it that most countries have serious prohibitions with severe penalties against illegal immigration, but at least some of their residents seriously expect the U.S. to ignore the fact that these ILLEGAL immigrants have committed an on-going CRIME every day they are in the U.S.? How would that on-going CRIMINAL act qualify one for a special place in the citizenship queue? In my perfect world, any person found to be here ILLEGALLY should be incarcerated and banned from entry into the country, along with a permanent ban on attaining U.S. citizenship.

The only real difference between the 36 hour ILLEGAL immigrant and the 36 year ILLEGAL immigrant is the amount of time they have been committing the CRIME and the amount of our resources they have ILLEGALLY taken. They are still CRIMINALS and need to be treated as such.

Happy RRing,

Jerry

#62

Jerry, yet another standing ovation from teh peanut gallery

#63

Jerry,
When you mention foreigners I know you are not referring to me, as I studiously avoid commenting on American domestic politics.
I don’t think it is proper for any non USA citizen to comment on USA domestic political debates.
Just as it would be improper for a USA citizen to comment on Australian domestic affairs.

Neither should any non USA citizens be dragged into a USA domestic political debate and used as an example for anything.

My only comment on this thread was to chide Dave Healy for doing just that.

#64
Steve Featherkile said:
OMG! mark and I agree on something! Did the temperature in H*ll suddenly drop?
Chuckle! Mark Twain's "heaven for the climate, hell for the company" will work for you two miserable old farts. Actually, that would be three.

Jerry, I’m a dual US-Australian citizen, born and raised in America. I pitched my tent Down Under when I married an Australian. We decided to live in Perth because it’s where my wife’s family is.

Over the years, I’ve been back to the US on many occasions to visit family and friends, and to work. The most recent stint lasted over three-and-a-half years. I feel as much American as I do Australian.

You’ve made it clear you’re livid about what’s happening to your neighbourhood. I lived through something similar in Australia, and the experience profoundly affected the way I think about a lot of things. However, the way your experience has affected you and the way mine has affected me are totally different.

You, and just about every other poster on this topic, has come out swinging about “illegals” and “criminals”. You, and some of the other posters, have had plenty to say, in particular, about Hispanic illegals and criminals. You lump the lot into one big, ugly group and want them to go away.

I say it’s not that simple. I say there’s room to discriminate between people like your neighbours and my ex-neighbours, and other folks from the same ethnic and linguistic backgrounds. They’re INDIVIDUALS.

Are you sure ALL your neighbours are illegal, Jerry? Been over and asked them? Knocked on the door, walked in and seen the hate in their eyes - just you and the tribe? Told them how you feel about what’s going on? Tried to build some bridges? Are you sure it’s not just the HISPANIC piece that ticks you off?

#65
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I say it's not that simple. I say there's room to discriminate between people like your neighbours and my ex-neighbours, and other folks from the same ethnic and linguistic backgrounds. They're INDIVIDUALS.

Are you sure ALL your neighbours are illegal, Jerry? Been over and asked them? Knocked on the door, walked in and seen the hate in their eyes - just you and the tribe? Told them how you feel about what’s going on? Tried to build some bridges? Are you sure it’s not just the HISPANIC piece that ticks you off?


That’s who we’re talking about here, the “illegal” ones. I have no problem with any person who comes to this country and goes through the naturalization process and becomes an American. They’ve made the effort. Congradulations!

My sister-in-law in San Diego is half hispanic. Her mother was from Mexico and was the most gracious person I ever met. Fun to talk to. So, no it’s not an “hispanic” thing with me. They just happen to be the ones who have the easiest route into this country and refuse to go about it in a legal fashion.

The other part that galls most of us too, is this “multi-lingual” crap. This country is not multi-lingual, it’s english speaking. If you can’t or won’t learn the language, then don’t expect the rest of the country to bow down to you.Whether that’s occured to you or not, but it’s a drain on the economy also. Multi-lingual signs, multi-lingual teachers in our schools so the so called “natural born americans” can be taught, multi-lingual governmant workers so they can get their free social services, the list goes on and on.

#66

“The only real difference between the 36 hour ILLEGAL immigrant and the 36 year ILLEGAL immigrant is the amount of time they have been committing the CRIME and the amount of our resources they have ILLEGALLY taken. They are still CRIMINALS and need to be treated as such.”

Very well said, Jerry.

#67
Dave Healy said:
You, and some of the other posters, have had plenty to say, in particular, about Hispanic illegals and criminals. You lump the lot into one big, ugly group and want them to go away.

I say it’s not that simple. I say there’s room to discriminate between people like your neighbours and my ex-neighbours, and other folks from the same ethnic and linguistic backgrounds. They’re INDIVIDUALS.

Are you sure ALL your neighbours are illegal, Jerry? Been over and asked them? Knocked on the door, walked in and seen the hate in their eyes - just you and the tribe? Told them how you feel about what’s going on? Tried to build some bridges? Are you sure it’s not just the HISPANIC piece that ticks you off?


Dave’s posts contain some of the hallmarks of true liberal argument techniques. The classic liberal turns a discussion from LEGAL immigration (as seen in the video Ric linked) to ILLEGAL immigration. We all go along, as many of us are seriously against ILLEGAL immigration.

Next is to turn the discussion from ILLEGAL immigration to RACISM by accusing the opponents of ILLEGAL immigration of being racists. Playing of the race card really gets everyone’s attention, as most thinking folks, along with our society in general are against racism. Responses to the racism remarks then turn the thread into a discussion about race, and the subject of immigration (LEGAL or ILLEGAL) is considered won on the basis that anyone against ILLEGAL immigrants must be a racist.

Not once have I mentioned nor implied notice of anyone’s race. The mentions of race were started by and continue to be almost 100% from Dave H., with a few others responding in kind. It is Dave who is attempting to turn the discussion to racism.

I am not going to fall into the trap of making this a debate about race. I also find Dave’s aspersions that paint me as having racism as a component of my opposition to ILLEGAL immigrants to be disgusting.

Any person, regardless of ethnicity, creed, religion or any other ‘grouping’ factor(s), who is here ILLEGALLY is committing a CRIMINAL act and should be dealt with accordingly! That’s why Lady Justice is commonly represented as being blindfolded.

As to how I know which people are here ILLEGALLY: All one has to do is report someone for an infraction they commit, then stand by for the government’s reaction. Folks who are here LEGALLY discontinue their errant ways on notice from the authorities, perhaps paying a small fine and / or otherwise adjusting their behavior. The ILLEGALS simply continue their CRIMINAL behavior because they are truly beyond the grasp of the authorities. We see this occurring in our community everyday.

Happy RRing,

Jerry

#68

Ken, I was careful to say SOME of the posters have referred to Hispanics. I take the comments in your last post about your own attitudes as a given. I’m not putting words in your mouth.

We’ll agree to disagree on the issue. You made that point yourself several posts back.

Jerry, you say

Jerry Bowers said:
Then there is the family of ~9 ILLEGAL aliens who live in the trashed (by them) house behind me

The 6 ILLEGAL alien guys living in the ILLEGAL trailer on the lot next door to me


I asked you how you know they’re illegal (the guys, not the trailer). What’s your reply? Mindless bleating about “true liberal argument techniques” and the pious assertion that “not once have I mentioned nor implied notice of anyone’s race.”

Eh? Do you think your reference to taco wagons leads folks to think you’re talking about a Chinese laundry?

I don’t know if you’re racist or not. I’m trying to determine how you KNOW these neighbours of yours are ILLEGAL.

#69

Why a Chinese LAUNDRY, Dave? OR are you guilty of stereotyping?

"No tickee, no raundry!

#70

Well i for one think the way to stop this illegal migration to here from there is like Jay Leno said i believe in one of his routines on his show one night he said "Build a 6000 mile long Wal Mart that would stop it completely at the border!!!Ha lol

#71
Steve Featherkile said:
Why a Chinese LAUNDRY, Dave? OR are you guilty of stereotyping?

"No tickee, no raundry!


Hey Steve,

It could have been a “Bockwurst und Sauerkraut-Wagen”.

BTW for a bit of perspective: the immigration problem started to be a hot topic in Switzerland back from the mid 1960s on - or at least then I was aware of it. The usual stuff and the usual arguments. Then and now my first question to the proponents of “there ought to be a law” is: Who do you think would fill/do all the dreadful jobs these people are working at?

Result: SILENCE! (or sometimes sputtering incoherence!)

#72
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
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BTW for a bit of perspective: the immigration problem started to be a hot topic in Switzerland back from the mid 1960s on - or at least then I was aware of it. The usual stuff and the usual arguments. Then and now my first question to the proponents of “there ought to be a law” is: Who do you think would fill/do all the dreadful jobs these people are working at?

Result: SILENCE! (or sometimes sputtering incoherence!)


We hear that same argument here.

Can’t think of too many places that have gone out of business for a lack of employees, but I could be wrong. I imagine if their designation changed from “Illegal” to “Legal” they’d still be doing those same dreadful jobs. They found a body to fill the need before, they’ll find another one that’s willing to work, no matter how bad the situation.

#73

Ken,

You missed the point.

The “Natives” would be damned if they would take those jobs! Consequently: things would grind to a halt.

#74
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
Ken,

You missed the point.

The “Natives” would be damned if they would take those jobs! Consequently: things would grind to a halt.


Yea, you’re right…on both counts…:wink:

#75

Chuckle! Mark Twain’s “heaven for the climate, hell for the company” will work for you two miserable old farts. Actually, that would be three.

I’m in my 30’s does that classify me as a miserable old fart?

#76
mark Dash.... said:
Chuckle! Mark Twain's "heaven for the climate, hell for the company" will work for you two miserable old farts. Actually, that would be three.

I’m in my 30’s does that classify me as a miserable old fart?


No it doesn’t, the threshold for old farts is 60+ :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue:

Of course you can be miserable at any age, I try not to fit the category, with varying success! But I manage at least 90% of the time! :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue:

#77

Mark is still wet behind the ears…:smiley: And as for misery and HJ, he gets his pleasure making everyone else miserable…:stuck_out_tongue: But he’s still an old fart!

#78
mark Dash.... said:
Chuckle! Mark Twain's "heaven for the climate, hell for the company" will work for you two miserable old farts. Actually, that would be three.

I’m in my 30’s does that classify me as a miserable old fart?


One of my guys turned 30 a couple of weeks ago. I’ll ask him tomorrow.

Can’t speak for Featherkile, but if you and I pack it in before then, you bring the rolls and mustard, I’ll bring the kraut and weiners, and we each bring our own beer.

#79

Steve Featherkile’s an old fart. He’s just a couple years younger than I. :stuck_out_tongue:

#80
Warren Mumpower said:
Mark is still wet behind the ears....:D And as for misery and HJ, he gets his pleasure making everyone else miserable....:P But he's still an old fart!
Warren,

You can’t make anyone miserable, they always do it to themselves. Push one button and they’re off on a mission, like the Energizer Bunny. :lol: :lol: