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dennis brown said:
I am not all that familiar with the Bachmann Annie. What I find confusing is that some have a 4-6-0 wheel arrangement and others a 2-8-0 arrangement. Are these the same engine? I would appreciate anyone's answer to this. Regards, Dennis.
Dennis - the Bachmann 'Annie' is a ten wheeler - like the one you see on may of these posts. It gets the nickname from Bachmann's assertion that it was produced as an 'Anniversay' model after ten years of vast sales numbers of the Bachmann Big Hauler, was, and still is, a significant improvement over the Big Hauler. The various models that can be called 'Annie' can be identified by the fine scale fully-working metal valve gear and side-rods, and much extra metal detail all over - they really are an exceptional model by any standards.

The ‘Connie’ - short for ‘Consolidation’, is the Baldwin 2-8-0 loco made as a catalogue locomotive, and, as made by Bachmann, represents a Mexican short line loco running on 2ft 6in gauge. At least one of these attractive locos is still in use, fully restored.

Barry Olsen [Barry’s Big Trains] makes a very fine after-market replacement chassis and running gear for both of these models. I watched fellow poster Ken Brunt’s Annie hauling a dead AccuCraft live-steam Bumble Bee [about 24 pounds of metal] up a pretty stiff grade at the Invasion lat July.

V impressive.

tac
www.ovgrs.org

Well since we are mostly posting steam, here are my 2 favorites in my steam engines!! My Triplex, and the Mallet. Regal

(http://www.lscdata.com/users/blueregal/_forumfiles/mallettriplex.jpg)

Jerry Hansen said:
Well since we are mostly posting steam, here are my 3 favorites in my steam engines!! My Triplex, and k-27, and the Triplex from MTH. Regal

(http://www.lscdata.com/users/blueregal/_forumfiles/K-27&Triplex.jpg)

(http://www.lscdata.com/users/blueregal/_forumfiles/mallettriplex.jpg)

Jerry that top one in the lower pic looks like a mallet? the bottom one is your triplex? Geoff

[Dennis - the Bachmann ‘Annie’ is a ten wheeler - like the one you see on may of these posts. It gets the nickname from Bachmann’s assertion that it was produced as an ‘Anniversay’ model after ten years of vast sales numbers of the Bachmann Big Hauler, was, and still is, a significant improvement over the Big Hauler. The various models that can be called ‘Annie’ can be identified by the fine scale fully-working metal valve gear and side-rods, and much extra metal detail all over - they really are an exceptional model by any standards.]

The “Annie” is being talked about fondly by a number of people. A couple of questions; What year did the Anniversary Edition first come out and has Bachmann made any changes to it since then?

Thanks you to everyone that has posted so far, it is very helpful & educational!

Jim

Jim Schneider said:
[Dennis - the Bachmann 'Annie' is a ten wheeler - like the one you see on may of these posts. It gets the nickname from Bachmann's assertion that it was produced as an 'Anniversay' model after ten years of vast sales numbers of the Bachmann Big Hauler, was, and still is, a significant improvement over the Big Hauler. The various models that can be called 'Annie' can be identified by the fine scale fully-working metal valve gear and side-rods, and much extra metal detail all over - they really are an exceptional model by any standards.]

The “Annie” is being talked about fondly by a number of people. A couple of questions; What year did the Anniversary Edition first come out and has Bachmann made any changes to it since then?

Thanks you to everyone that has posted so far, it is very helpful & educational!

Jim


AIR, the ‘Annie’ made its first appearance back in 1997/8, as mine was bought from the Train Stop in San Diego in 1998 when I visiting a naval establishment there. It first ran at an open day on our base, with five WP&Y cars ahint it, and in was still doing that this afternoon.

AFAIK there have been no major visible changes to it over the years, although underneath the plastic, maybe, to the drive train assembly - as you may know, there have been at least five revisions to the basic Big Hauler drive train over the years, so it should come as no shock to learn that similar improvements have been made here, too. Mine simply runs and runs, and could be described as a good to go anytime loco.

Of course, I could be wrong, and no doubt sharper minds than mine can put me right.

tac
www.ovgrs.org

Mine is my bachmann climax. Runs perfect every time.

Tim Brien said:
Garrett, you may be aware that I have built at least 15 variations on the Annie. Every loco impresses me with its performance. These are much maligned, but if operated with consideration, then, after rebuilding, they perform admirably. When I eventually extract the digit there is another Mastadon, a Hudson and a 'ten-wheeler', all in various stages of completion. I purchased several extra new Annies for spares and just require the 'initiative' to complete them.
SO ya got pics of the 4-8-0 Mollie? (Thats what the N&W called the M Class 4-8-0s.......No475 is still alive at Strassburg.....)

Terry A de C Foley said:

dennis brown said:
I am not all that familiar with the Bachmann Annie. What I find confusing is that some have a 4-6-0 wheel arrangement and others a 2-8-0 arrangement. Are these the same engine? I would appreciate anyone’s answer to this. Regards, Dennis.

Barry Olsen [Barry’s Big Trains] makes a very fine after-market replacement chassis and running gear for both of these models. I watched fellow poster Ken Brunt’s Annie hauling a dead AccuCraft live-steam Bumble Bee [about 24 pounds of metal] up a pretty stiff grade at the Invasion lat July. V impressive. tac www.ovgrs.org

Terry, I believe that was Bruce’s 10 wheeler you are referring too.

(http://www.lscdata.com/users/thejoat/Events/AmericanInvasion/2009/IMG_6516.JPG)

Bart, the first is my shortened interpretation of an early 4-10-0 Central Pacific gargantuan. The second (a work in progress) is a ‘modernised’ locomotive, assuming that narrow-gauge 4-8-0 locomotives made it into the post-depression years. It may be fitted with a ‘wooden’ cab when completed.

(http://www.lscdata.com/users/tim_brien/_forumfiles/madss4.JPG)

(http://www.lscdata.com/users/tim_brien/_forumfiles/lscccma.JPG)

Hmmmmm?
Seems that the Bachmann Annie, stock, BBTed, kitbashed or altered in some form seem to be alot of guy’s “Babies”.
What does this mean?

Randy

Randy,
the Bachmann Big Hauler is much maligned because of the poor quality drive system fitted to the early models. The latest variant (version 5) has the same gearbox as the Anniversary model. The version 5 is a relatively bulletproof drive, assuming one does not use it ‘out of the box’. Every drive that I have disassembled has quality/assembly issues (loose motor mount screws, shorted out wiring) .

      While the drives are the same in the later Big Haulers and the Annie,  the locomotives are totally different.  The Annie has, apart from metal detail parts,  a different more refined chassis and a different boiler moulding.  I only have one Big Hauler,  which has been upgraded to Annie specs (the 'bumble bee' Annie was not available when I upgraded my Big Hauler version).  I have numerous Annies (at least 20).  Some were purchased as a source of spare parts for modifications/repairs.

      I find the Annie to be very easy to work on and work with.  The plastics used are user-friendly in that specialist solvent glues are not required to join components.  The drive is very simple and with care in assembly,  a very reliable drive is obtained.  They are indeed very robust and favourites of many,  but I have several provisos in that I would never consider a stock Annie as 'reliable' (too many QC issues),  I would not run them on less than acceptable small radius curves (I use ten-foot diameter) and I would not overload them (around ten cars would be sufficient,  but could easily haul many, many more).

Tim,
I was only tongue-in-cheek with my last post. Since my intro into this hobby a few months ago I soon learned about the big haulers and their popularity. That’s why I did not hesitate to buy a NOS Annie on feebay last month. I have learned a great deal about these little gems from the forums, and I thank you for adding more info as well. Can see in my future a fleet of them too. Just like women, treat them right, look after them and they will be around for along time.
Thanks for your imput.
Randy
Ps. Might have to get brave and open mine up and check for some of the things you mentioned.

Geoff George said:

Jerry Hansen said:
Well since we are mostly posting steam, here are my 3 favorites in my steam engines!! My Triplex, and k-27, and the Triplex from MTH. Regal

(http://www.lscdata.com/users/blueregal/_forumfiles/K-27&Triplex.jpg)

(http://www.lscdata.com/users/blueregal/_forumfiles/mallettriplex.jpg)

Jerry that top one in the lower pic looks like a mallet? the bottom one is your triplex? Geoff

You must have jumped in there before i found out I was having problems posting the pic of the k-27and I got it changed really do know the difference. Is your name NicK??? or Quickstraw Mcgraw??? LOl Regal

Ralph Berg said:
I guess one man's prize, is another man's pig. My old reliable is the former RC Cola 0-4-0. Despite it's short wheelbase, it never has any power pick up issues.
It has nothing to do with 'one man or another man' with the Aristo 0-4-0s... I've begun to suspect that no two of the silly things are quite the same. (QC? Um, is that like a WC with plush seats?) One will run well, the next one is a PoS, the one after that is meh... and no two "pigs" I've owned had exactly the same solution to their poor running problems.

As you noted, they can be fine locomotives, I still have 2… but buying them off feebay, or anywhere else that you can’t test them first, is a coin toss at best.

Ken Brunt said:
Terry, I believe that was Bruce’s 10 wheeler you are referring too.

(http://www.lscdata.com/users/thejoat/Events/AmericanInvasion/2009/IMG_6516.JPG)

Yup. I got it wrong. :frowning: Apologies all round. tac www.ovgrs.org

Kevin Strong said:
My “Absolutely, positively, turn it on and watch it run” locomotive:

(http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/eastbroadtop/openhouse08/open23.jpg)

Tuscarora Timber Co. #4, a Bachmann Heisler.

Can someone tell me more about this locomotive? Is it still available and in a price range that one could justify cutting it up for a kitbash? What would the prototype build date be and where was it used? Is this like a Shay in certain aspects? Suppose I could look this up on my own but more fun asking here. :wink:

Rooster,
It’s out of production. Check with Cale. He had one for sale. Don’t remember if he sold it or not.
Ralph

David,
That is a Heisler(sp) geared loco, in the class with Shays and Climaxes. Used mainly in the mountains for lumber and logging.
It’s still avaliable here and there. (ebay)

David Russell said:

Kevin Strong said:
My “Absolutely, positively, turn it on and watch it run” locomotive:

(http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/eastbroadtop/openhouse08/open23.jpg)

Tuscarora Timber Co. #4, a Bachmann Heisler.

Can someone tell me more about this locomotive? Is it still available and in a price range that one could justify cutting it up for a kitbash? What would the prototype build date be and where was it used? Is this like a Shay in certain aspects? Suppose I could look this up on my own but more fun asking here. :wink:

Hmmm, not quite sure why you would want to bash a Heisler, it already looks like it was made from left-ofter parts anyhow. As for the history of this type of loco, it was the brainchild of Charles Heisler, and incorporated a whole raft of innovations in engineering design, including - 1. Worm gear drive to the one axle with drive rods transmitting the torque to the other axles - MUCH cheaper than the Shay with its multiplicity of crown wheels and bevels… 2. Unitary gearbox assemblies in oil baths that could be inspected, filled or even changed out completely without having to part-dismantle the loco. 3. Commonality and interchangeability of parts throughout the range of locos, regardless of size [within reason]. 4. Power AND speed - the Heislers were somewhat faster than any other design of geared loco. As for the history, well, I have to say that I really have little or no knowledge of any value, being a furriner, but what little I have I’m happy to share - The Heisler locomotive was the last variant of the three major types of geared steam locomotive, Charles L. Heisler receiving a patent for the design in 1892 following the construction of a prototype in 1891. Somewhat similar to a Climax locomotive, Heisler’s design featured two cylinders canted inwards at a 45 degree angle to form a ‘vee-twin’ arrangement. Power then went to a longitudinal driveshaft that drove the outboard axle on each powered truck. The inboard axle on each truck was then driven from the outboard one by external side (connecting) rods. The Heisler was the fastest of the geared steam locomotive designs, and yet was still claimed by its manufacturer to have the same low speed hauling ability. The first Heislers were built by the Dunkirk Engineering Company of Dunkirk, New York, at the time producer of their own design of geared locomotive (called the Dunkirk - no surprise there, eh), of which the Heisler could be considered an improvement. They did not adopt the Heisler design, but in 1894 the Stearns Manufacturing Company of Erie, Pennsylvania started to produce Heislers, and did so until 1904. It was reorganised as the Heisler Locomotive Works in 1907, and went on to produce locomotives of the Heisler design until 1941. Heislers were produced in both two and three truck variants in sizes ranging from 17 tons to 95 tons. Approximately 625 were produced, and approximately 35 still exist. About eight or ten are currently operational. If you live in the next state down from Oregon, then you’ll find a 75 ton 1918 Heisler locomotive is on static display at the Traveltown open air museum in Los Angeles. In service they have a peculiar ‘knocking’ sound, unlike any other loco - due to the play in the big ends - the engine part looks like a giant steam-driven Moto-Guzzi motorcycle [google it if you don’t know what I’m talking about]. The one I know best is the 60 ton loco number 2 - formerly of Curtiss Lumber Co - that runs on the Oregon Coast Scenic Railroad, between Garibaldi and Wheeler, on the former Port of Tillamook Bay trackage - it’s a great and scenic ride - even cab-rides are possible and a great day out. The loco is one beautiful runner as well, as I can personally vouchsafe. They have a good website with lots of links to other Heislers, too, but I’ll let you look for it yourself - I’m off to bed as it’s gone midnight here in yUK. Best tac www.ovgrs.org. PS - if any smartypants thinks my comment looks like the wiki entry, well, I wrote that too. :wink:

This is my BIG baby. My ex called her a ‘beast’, a ‘money pit’ and when she was trying to be nice, a ‘17,000 pound doorstop’…

(http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp52/steamnut1917/SUNP0002.jpg)