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Aristo-Craft now only factory direct?

Tony,
of cause talk of failure is all doom and gloom, but given that Aristo rise again like the veritable Phoenix, do you really think the potential dealer newtwork will sit up and beg like good little puppies? Aristo will be at the mercy of the dealers’ demands at their terms. Interest free credit with generous repayment terms, Aristo copping advertising costs for the dealer network including very limited supply outside of the network. To come back onboard the dealers will want exclusitivity. Of cause the dealers themselves will need to establish product line outside of Aristo to remain viable in the meanwhile. Those who survive will hold the golden goose. Yes, Aristo will survive but will it still be in the family control - I do not think so.

As you say, the company could be split up before armagaeddon, giving Crest a foothold without being dragged down by the parent company. The old Aristo under Nat Polk had its fingers in very many pies other than just trains, so perhaps there is hope (just perhaps).

Has anyone considered that the new management at Aristocraft simply believes the new business model is superior ?
Why assume the new business model is an act of desperation?
If they were drop-shipping a lot of the merchandise anyway, maybe the logic is the consumer will spend some of the money saved on merchandise.
Ralph

Tim Brien said:
Tony, of cause talk of failure is all doom and gloom, but given that Aristo rise again like the veritable Phoenix, do you really think the potential dealer newtwork will sit up and beg like good little puppies? Aristo will be at the mercy of the dealers' demands at their terms. Interest free credit with generous repayment terms, Aristo copping advertising costs for the dealer network including very limited supply outside of the network. To come back onboard the dealers will want exclusitivity. Of cause the dealers themselves will need to establish product line outside of Aristo to remain viable in the meanwhile. Those who survive will hold the golden goose. Yes, Aristo will survive but will it still be in the family control - I do not think so.

As you say, the company could be split up before armagaeddon, giving Crest a foothold without being dragged down by the parent company. The old Aristo under Nat Polk had its fingers in very many pies other than just trains, so perhaps there is hope (just perhaps).


And here I thought I needed laid!
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Tim.
Crest has already been split away from AristoCraft, even though it is still marketed as part of the overall set up.

Ralph, I don’t really assume anything. However without a huge direct adverstising budget I seriously doubt there will be enough exposure to the market place by going direct as your marketing tool to sustain a viable business when compared to having product on dealer shelves. In short, if going direct at discounted prices in direct competition to your own dealer network is such a good idea, why is it that only MTH has been doing it lately. Where are they now in Large Scale?

I believe that the GFC has had more effect on the financial bottom end of the market place, than the top end. As such LGB will eventually get back to where they once were. Making and selling a high quality relatively expensive product aimed and marketed to those with a higher disposable income than the average.

David Russell said:
And here I thought I needed laid! :)
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TonyWalsham said:
Ralph, I don't really assume anything. However without a huge direct adverstising budget I seriously doubt there will be enough exposure to the market place by going direct as your marketing tool to sustain a viable business when compared to having product on dealer shelves.
Tony, I think the point is, that other than a few large dealers, there was very little on dealer's shelves. And two of the larger dealers are now history. If they were already drop-shipping a lot of merchandise, they now have a mailing list of confirmed customers ;) Ralph

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Nick,
as I believe attributed to Mark Twain, “The reports of my death are a little exaggerated.” The Polks have a few seasons play left in them (as an American team), although their batting average will take a hit as each season grinds to a halt. The talent scouts will find little of interest and will come back in a season or two and pick over the bones for anything of value. It is really only the very ardent team followers who will stick with them to the end, finding no fault right up to the final bell in the end game of the season. No home runs but plenty of strike outs. The team manager left the team a few months ago, hoping a new captain would inspire the team with new ideas, but alas, not to be. Pity, as at one time they were at the top of the league table with innovative play, capturing the trophy from a German team who won every pennant for many years until in one glorious season they lost every game and were relegated out of the professional league. Is the same fate awaiting them?

Try this:
Today, Tuesday, August 7th
E-mail (SPECIAL SALE) ad from TRAINWORLD lists the LGB chunky 2-4-0 steamer with both a flat stake car and caboose – $195.00. No track or power pack. The engine alone (with tender) is $149.00 This is not the sound version. No disclaimer about the cars not being LGB.
Statement is the products are in an LGB box.

I’ve read an ad for just the loco and tender at $ 250.00.
Who’s in trouble that a special needed to be run at those prices?

Also, try this:
August 9th Aristo-Craft e-mail indicated a factory direct sale on 2-bay hopper cars. Motivation was there is an abundance of them to choose from at $37.00 each.
Same 2-bay car is listed on TRAINWORLD’s site for $67.00 each.

Anyone confused as to what is possible among are two competing agencies for business – one the manufacturer and the other the long-time sales arm for the same manufacturer.
Wheeeeee.
Selah,
Wendell

Not sure how you get the $37 price. They are listed as Sale $39.99 on the Aristo site. Does anyone know if these have metal wheels? There are NO Specs at all on the Aristo site anymore.

They dont come with metal wheels, but you may be able to find them at one of the few dealers that remain.
Ive heard the metal wheels have dried up a while ago. Thats a good price for the cars, get them while they
last.
Nick

For metal wheels, try Al’s Discount Trains on e-bay. Enough for 5 cars (20pr) at $119.00 and free shipping. Al’s Discount Trains use to be San-Val Trains.

Chuck

Nicholas Savatgy said:
...Thats a good price for the cars, get them while they last. Nick
Done.

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Chuck Inlow said:
For metal wheels, try Al's Discount Trains on e-bay. Enough for 5 cars (20pr) at $119.00 and free shipping. Al's Discount Trains use to be San-Val Trains.Chuck
Glad I still have plenty of Aristo wheels in-stock. I paid about half that.

If you want to see high prices try to get the black wheels.

I just paint mine.

It can’t be a good sign when Aristo sells large lots of stuff to one distributor who then undercuts all the dealers (Evans box car), and then Aristo undercuts all the dealers themselves (2 bay hopper)… I can’t believe any of this is good business for anyone.

It smacks of desperate cash flow problems.

I sure hope it gets better. I have a particular loyalty to the dealers I buy from, they give me excellent customer service, and I want them to succeed. When you eliminate competition (factory direct only) I worry about how I will be treated when there is only one place to buy Aristo.

Greg

I share the concerns about the sales tactics of Aristocraft.

For large scalers not living in the USA there is another problem. Shipping from the US to Canada is getting expensive and we have to pay brokerage charges, even when we use the postal services. To go around that, many Canadians have orders shipped to an American address (UPS store or such) and pick up the goodies themselves. If you are lucky, you don’t even have to pay the sales taxes when you cross the border.

Our friends at Aristocraft make this impossible by refusing to send orders to any other address than the address on the credit card. Offers to pay with a money order are refused. Emails with questions and suggestions go unanswered. I just placed a $ 800 track order with a competitor for this reason and I told them that. Aristocraft doesn’t seem to care.

Henk

Hello Henk.

At least you have a common land border. Try driving to the USA from anywhere overseas.

BTW, and if AristoCraft would accept Pay Pal, have you considered using Pay Pal as the currency exchange medium. With Pay Pal you can specify a delivery address that is different from your home address.

I am an authorised mail order CC merchant with the banks here in Australia. I find the Pay Pal charges are decidedly less than the banks charge, so I use Pay Pal as often as possible for both buying and selling.

Yes Tony,

I love using PayPal. I buy and sell on eBay and use nothing else. Aristocraft doesn’t accept it however. Of course they have the right to do stupid things, but I would like to know why.

Henk