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Alaska: A visit to Ron Simpson's Copper Center Rail Depot Bar

We had an unusually good summer weather-wise here in the interior of Alaska with good conditions beginning in the last week of April and extending through July. August brought with it the typical conditions of mostly-overcast with interspersed showers, although no heavy rainfall. Usually September reverts back to clear conditions with plenty of sun, albeit considerably cooler. This one has been a mixed-bag so far, except that today–right in mid-September–we are experiencing unusually good, clear and even WARM conditions. This was so much so that I took the opportunity to pull out all my consists which I have been operating this summer to line them up end-to-end. Prior to that I had been running single ones such as this one, seen on the east loop as it makes it turn on the south side of the large loop before returning to Cicely and the west end. [url=i89.photobucket.com/albums/k220/blackburn49/ALCANEX/029-2250.jpg]

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[/url]. As you can see from the leaves, fall is upon us. It won’t be too long before I have to retire all of these trains for the season. The engine shown is one of three AKRR SD Mac 70s I have on hand, numbered 4100, 4101 and 4102. These are particularly attractive and excellent-running model locomotives. Behind it follows a mixed consist. This is unusual for me since I prefer passenger train consists, but I do have a few of these freight trains out there. Obviously, with an emphasis on passenger trains, I do not do operations in the sense that most of you conduct them. However, with so many consists parked around the roughly 250 foot-wide layout, I have to do my own type of operations just to line up these various consists in the desired order. I am now taking a break before resuming this latest “operation” out in the yard. I have been snapping photos as circumstances permit, but there is no way I can show ALL the cars at once. Nevertheless, I can tell you that it is an impressive lineup: Three AKRR consists (one passenger that includes NP and an Amtrak coach and the mixed freight one above plus a 40-2 that is pulling all REA Express freight), an AmTrak pulled by a Genisis III, a mixed group of short passenger coaches pulled by a GN F-3A, a Burlington E-8 pulling a group of BN heavyweight coaches, an FA-FB-FA Milwaukee pulling a group of Milwaukee Road heavyweights, a Santa Fe USA streamliner consist pulled by a Dash-9, an Aristo GN mallet pulling a short CP passenger consist of heavyweights, and a Milwaukee Road doodlebug with an observation car AND a Milwaukee Road caboose.

And, thanks to Jon Radder, I am now able to bring you my version of full-sized images of each of my pictures just by YOU clicking on them, such as the one above OR the one below, which was taken in front of the Cicely town model structure with an easterly orientation: [url=i89.photobucket.com/albums/k220/blackburn49/ALCANEX/021-2250.jpg]

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[/url] This is the same consist (AKRR 4102) shown in the previous picture BEFORE it reached the east loop turn-around.

Fantastic shots Ron. I really have the feel and experience of your railroad through the random shots you have shared. I always enjoy the experience and hope to see it in person someday. Thanks for sharing.

West end of line-up (click for larger image): [url=i89.photobucket.com/albums/k220/blackburn49/ALCANEX/070-2250.jpg]

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[/url] East end of line-up (click for larger image): [url=i89.photobucket.com/albums/k220/blackburn49/ALCANEX/071-2250.jpg]

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[/url] Map showing area covered (not to scale):

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Ric Golding said:
Fantastic shots Ron. I really have the feel and esperience of your railroad through the random shots you have shared. I always enjoy the experience and hope to see it in person someday. Thanks for sharing.

Thank you, Ric. This is a layout that is still in mid-stage development. I anticipate expansion to the ground probably late next year or in the following year. This will enable me to ultimately bring the track outside of the enclosed area I have been building within to date, crossing the parking lot and working in the direction of the river. It will also enable me to begin construction on the long-anticipated Phase III line, which will be my narrow-gauge Klondike Mines Railroad historic line. That is still probably years off, but definitely a worthy goal. I am already thinking I might begin construction on one of the three towns–possibly Grand Forks–NEXT year. On the other end–the CRD Saloon–I am going to be expanding that building over the next three years. Among other things, that will mean a complete reworking and expansion of the overhead inside tracks. I may also build a smaller run at bar level so I can deliver drinks on the train–something I have always wanted to do. Next season will almost certainly include a 150-to-300 foot expansion on the Phase II line at the lowest level (Cantwell RR yard level) to accommodate the existing layout due to an overpopulation of trains. This will also be the tie-in point for reaching the ground where the 1:20.3 trains will be located. They will have their own storage area immediately BELOW the existing Cantwell RR Yard & Industrial Park. There are not that many pieces of rolling stock for that model as it will be based on a small historic line where the exact number and type of cars is on the record and includes 4 locomotives for the Kondike Mines Ry, four more Porters for the Yukon Gold Company line that connected in with the KMR, plus one Shay, and possibly four more Porters. The KMR had two passenger cars, several wood flat cars and a limited number of box cars that all were eventually rebuilt as flat cars in the last year or two of operation. Of the rolling stock, I already have the locomotives on hand, although all but one (of those I plan to actually operate) require conversion to remote battery control. [url=i89.photobucket.com/albums/k220/blackburn49/ALCANEX/150-2500.jpg]

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[/url] Cantwell RR Yard & Industrial Park (click): The KMR RR storage yard will be built directly below this level, about 2 feet down. The practical storage length of the yard is 32 feet. The KMR will have two or even three parallel storage lines. These will not need to be as long as the ones above seen here.

Ron,

With your frost heave and extreme temps I would suggest you checkout how Fred Mills has built his IPP&WRR in Ottawa. It is off the ground but gets close to ground level and construction is quite substantial with years of proven testing as to its survivability. Chris Vernell is following that process in his uprights supporting his trackage.

The process is pictured and self explanatory on page 2 near the bottom of this thread -

http://www.largescalecentral.com/LSCForums/viewtopic.php?id=11782&p=2

Ron, The layout is looking good and it’s nice to see it running. I would like to see it first hand alng with some of the others here.

Ric Golding said:
Fantastic shots Ron. I really have the feel and experience of your railroad through the random shots you have shared. I always enjoy the experience and hope to see it in person someday. Thanks for sharing.
Me too! However a totally hot chick standing in the center of the RR while exposing her ...aheeem....clearing throat...... would highlight the RR threefold!

:wink:

David Marconi said:
Ron, The layout is looking good and it’s nice to see it running. I would like to see it first hand alng with some of the others here.

As I keep telling people, it is probably not as expensive to visit Alaska as you might think. I recommend flying to Anchorage and then renting a car or an RV and then following our highway system with maybe a trip between Valdez and Whittier to complete a round trip. Every year I find ways to improve upon the existing model while adding to it in some way. Like the rest of us, the economy will definitely slow down my future expansion plans, but this project is a part of a business, so I can justify its continued expansion to some degree. For those of you who want to visit BOTH operating railroads in Alaska-- the AKRR and the WP & Y, I am conveniently located BETWEEN the two just off of Highway One, which connects Anchorage to Tok where one meets the ALCAN to head toward Whitehorse or Haines/Skagway. [url=i89.photobucket.com/albums/k220/blackburn49/ALCANEX/AKRR-WPYUK.jpg]

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[/url] Red = highway system Blue = marine highway system Purple = railway systems. The AKRR line also parallels the highway system between Seward through Anchorage to Fairbanks Click map for larger version.

David Russell said:

Ric Golding said:
Fantastic shots Ron. I really have the feel and experience of your railroad through the random shots you have shared. I always enjoy the experience and hope to see it in person someday. Thanks for sharing.

Me too! However a totally hot chick standing in the center of the RR while exposing her …aheeem…clearing throat… would highlight the RR threefold! :wink:

I guess you did not realize that Cicely is on the OTHER side of the TRACKS ! [url=i89.photobucket.com/albums/k220/blackburn49/ALCANEX/BrickGirls-1700.jpg]

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[/url] The Brick Tavern girls

Ric Golding said:
Ron, With your frost heave and extreme temps I would suggest you checkout how Fred Mills has built his IPP&WRR in Ottawa. It is off the ground but gets close to ground level and construction is quite substantial with years of proven testing as to its survivability. Chris Vernell is following that process in his uprights supporting his trackage. The process is pictured and self explanatory on page 2 near the bottom of this thread - http://www.largescalecentral.com/LSCForums/viewtopic.php?id=11782&p=2

I assume you are referring to this:

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My first town, likely Grand Forks, will probably be built on a platform that will resemble what you see here. I also expect that the track will be similarly built on pilings that will be largely hidden from view in many places. All-in-all, whenever I finally begin work on it, it does appear that that base will make it an expensive, slow-going project.

Ron Simpson said:
The Brick Tavern girls
Ahemm..... The large version of that one could loose us our 'family site' rating :D

Oh wait, we lost that years ago. Never mind.

Jon Radder said:
Ron Simpson said:
The Brick Tavern girls
Ahemm..... The large version of that one could loose us our 'family site' rating :D

Oh wait, we lost that years ago. Never mind.


After all, it is the DETAILS which really make the layout interesting, is it not ?

Ron,

That is one of the pictures I was referring to. The use of a 2 x 2 paver and then a “deck base” on top of that seems to be a good solid footing in an area of extreme low temperatures. Year after year, I am amazed at how the IPP&WRR handles the extreme cold conditions. Fred as remarked to me in the past that he feels it all raises and falls together, therefore staying level.

Ric Golding said:
Ron,

That is one of the pictures I was referring to. The use of a 2 x 2 paver and then a “deck base” on top of that seems to be a good solid footing in an area of extreme low temperatures. Year after year, I am amazed at how the IPP&WRR handles the extreme cold conditions. Fred as remarked to me in the past that he feels it all raises and falls together, therefore staying level.


Ric:

My entire model railroad rests on either pier blocks similar to those pictured or on treated 4 X 4s that are concreted into the ground to a depth of 2 feet. That doesn’t sound like much, but the nature of the ground precludes digging much deeper. Besides, it works. I have close to NO effect on the track bed using this arrangement. However I am NOT on permafrost here, but on a riverbed that is heavy in sands, gravels and small round rocks (usually less than one foot in diameter) which is highly permeable. The effects of frost after eight years of running this way have been minimal. Some of the newer construction has reached less desirable ground. I will await nature’s verdict on that at the next spring break-up.

So far, so good.

–Ron

Ron Simpson said:
I guess you did not realize that Cicely is on the OTHER side of the TRACKS ! [url=i89.photobucket.com/albums/k220/blackburn49/ALCANEX/BrickGirls-1700.jpg]

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[/url] The Brick Tavern girls

NOW THAT RULES!!! The Batmobile with the dynamic duo in front just ice’s the cake!!! LMAO… Thanks Ron!

David Russell said:

Ron Simpson said:
I guess you did not realize that Cicely is on the OTHER side of the TRACKS ! The Brick Tavern girls

NOW THAT RULES!!! The Batmobile with the dynamic duo in front just ice’s the cake!!! LMAO… Thanks Ron!

I call them the BRICK GIRLS [url=i89.photobucket.com/albums/k220/blackburn49/ALCANEX/BrickGirls-2250.jpg]

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[/url] NOT to be confused with the BRECK GIRLS !

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It appears like your officer has had too much fun in turn puking and passing out.

David Russell said:
It appears like your officer has had too much fun in turn puking and passing out.
Actually, if you look carefully, you can clearly see that he got hit a by a hard screw.

Darn. I think I’ve been behind this working man’s bar too long.

Ahem ! Changing the subject back to trains . . . One of my prized trains is this relatively-rare Milwaukee Road FA-FB-FA pulling a line of Milwaukee Road heavyweights. Here is the consist as it waits at the switch that brings it back onto the mainline from the East Sleetmute cutoff to the Cantwell RR yard & industrial park. [url=i89.photobucket.com/albums/k220/blackburn49/ALCANEX/080-2250.jpg]

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[/url] I also run this doodlebug, which currently pulls one heavyweight observation car and a bay window caboose–all Milwaukee Road. [url=i89.photobucket.com/albums/k220/blackburn49/ALCANEX/082-2250.jpg]

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[/url] Either image can be seen in a much larger size (2250 pixels wide these days) by clicking onto the image.