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After market front boiler for new Emily?

Growing up just outside Buffalo, NY with an October birthday, many of my early driving experience was on snow. We would practice skid recovery in large open parking lots at night. And long before drifting was cool, we would drift around corners and bank off snowbanks.

So; I thought I knew how to drive on snow, An experience a few weeks ago changed my mind. We had a light snowfall, about 1.5" just before evening drive time. I was 3/4 of the way home when I couldn’t make a turn and came within inches of hitting cars waiting at the intersection to turn. 4WD got me off of the median after collecting my wits. Then a few minutes later on the same road going down a steep hill it was all I could do to keep the rear end from passing the front end while avoiding telephone poles and stone walls.

Because the temps had quickly gone from warm to below freezing there was a thin layer of ice under the fresh snow. The road that gave me trouble hadn’t been treated the same as the road I turned off from. I was very lucky not to hit any thing. I think I learned a thing or two about rapidly changing conditions that night.

I went with #3 because it was the best drawing I found in the book. I have to admit I did not count the slots. Not that big on detail.

Hi Guys:

Here is some further info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNR_Stirling_4-2-2

Images:

http://www.google.ca/search?q=stirling+single&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=af39UMahDuTF2QXa4IHICw&sqi=2&ved=0CDcQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=786

GNR Stirling Single No1 running on the Great Central in the early 1980’s , film footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgDM3IlhC1w

More film footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bTSwkyUoYg

Great Central Railway Golden Oldies Gala 2011 .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EAqcZSZUfs&NR=1

Norman

Here is a scan of #1, I did find a good drawing. This matches the Emily closer, but due to the straight line the Emily has on the brown strip, you can never match perfectly, unless you do major work to it. I think I can accept the straight line.

(http://freightsheds.largescalecentral.com/users/gunjeep444/_forumfiles/StrSng1sml.jpg)

Just looking at that ‘cab’ again, and thinking about the crew there, at 100mph…at night.

tac, ig and the Gandy Dancer Boys

That is a scary thought, Terry…now I will have nightmares during my morning nap time…

Jerry;…just a thought…
Are there any pictures or drawings of the area between the locomotive, and tender. I’ve been off on a project, making up “Deckplates” for the Aniversary ten wheelers, and I’m thinking that the Single, might benefit with one too. Thank you for the two drawings you have posted.

Fred Mills said:
..... Are there any pictures or drawings of the area between the locomotive, and tender. I've been off on a project, making up "Deckplates" for the Aniversary ten wheelers, and I'm thinking that the Single, might benefit with one too. ....
Hi Fred,

The book I have “Great Northern Locomotive History, Vol 2, 1867-95, The Stirling Era” has 35 photos and one drawing of 8’ Singles throughout all the series. Alas, even the photos which are dead straight side views show nothing useful about the deck plates. None of the photos is at a downward angle of this area between engine and tender.

What they do show is extreme close coupling which appears to allow almost no turning between them. (I read somewhere else that the long rigid wheelbases of British locomotives without pilot or trailing trucks was possible because early British railways were built with very gentle wide radius curves.) Many of the pictures show the crews standing nearly side-by-side, one on the engine and one on the tender. But this is probably due to both being on the same side to pose for the photographer. A few of the photos suggest that a lip of the tender floor extended forward of the frame, but this unclear. The close coupling would have forced such lip to be very narrow indeed.

I have never seen a plan view of these locos either photo or drawing. If anyone can point me to one, I would be grateful.

Ted

Fred - see your email.

tac, ig & The Cascade Pass Boys

OKAY - Mr A has just got back to me with the details - Prices are as follows - prices are POUNDS

Dean Goods smokebox front - 8.95
Backhead set - 16.25
Vacuum pipes - 8.12
Steam heater pipes - 6.89
Buffers - steel and brass - fully working - 24.90
Screw couplings parallel shank - 7.92
Brake standard for tender - 3.17

That is a total of £76.20, less 20% Gouge & Screw tax - £63-50. He can ship the sets straight to you - shipping costs to be added, obviously. Seems I wasn’t too far off with my prediction of ca. $100, eh?

Since I no longer have anything to do with the other forum of which we know, those of you who still post there might like to draw their attention to this thread on this site. Now I’m off to make myself a quart of Timmy’s-own brew. Best not to ask where I get it from, 'kay?

tac, ig & The Brooklyn Bridge Salesmen Boys

63.5 GBP = 100.5637 USD

Tac,

Changes are I will want two full sets, one for me, one for my friend. Let me know how to pay with Paypal.

thanks, Jerry

Joe Zullo said:
63.5 GBP = 100.5637 USD
Would you kill me for $0.5637?

tac, ig & The Tualatin Crater Boys

PS - Mr A told me that it will take a couple of weeks to get all the bits togeher - not all are kept in stock at the same time.

t

Hi tac,
I called Michael Adamson at GRS and sent him my order today. Thank you for your good offices.
Because of all your hard work, I’m inclined to give you a pass on the $0.5637. If it hits $0.57, …
Ted

tac said:
Joe Zullo said:
63.5 GBP = 100.5637 USD
Would you kill me for $0.5637?

tac, ig & The Tualatin Crater Boys

PS - Mr A told me that it will take a couple of weeks to get all the bits togeher - not all are kept in stock at the same time.

t


Good grief, I never meant to disparage you! I posted this to commend you on your most accurate estimate. Please accept my apology if that was not clear.

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You may not want to rush headlong into this splasher project anyway. The first 8'1" Stirling Single (GNR No 1, built 1870, preserved at Britian's National Railway Museum, York) had eleven oval piercings in the splasher plate
Ted, Hi from sunny Florida. We split our time as the wife is allergic to snow (or so it seems.) I won't be back to measure your Emily until June!

While we’re on the splasher issue - has anyone figured out what they did that makes the footplate too low at the front or too high at the back? In other words, which end is wrong? (Or ‘more wrong’!)

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any pictures or drawings of the area between the locomotive, and tender
The video that Norman posted shows the back of the engine when it is being moved without the tender. Good shots of the backhed too.
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The rest of you - any interest, or am I
Tac, I am interested, but strapped for time and cash this week. As the word spreads, I'm sure you will get more takers. (Besides, leaving it until March means I have a good excuse to go to Princes Risborough! )

If Emily was the right scale for our RR I’d snap one up. When my daughter got a little older, I’d do the face replacement surgery.

I can’t understand why british railways insisted on such a mean, stingy cab for their driver and fireman. On a rainy day you’d end up burned in front and soaked in back, at best. I understand it rains some in England? For the cost of a few pounds in sheet metal they could have made a cab that actually offered some shelter

mike omalley said:
....I can't understand why british railways insisted on such a mean, stingy cab for their driver and fireman. On a rainy day you'd end up burned in front and soaked in back, at best. I understand it rains some in England? For the cost of a few pounds in sheet metal they could have made a cab that actually offered some shelter
Mike Since the 1:1 versions were designed in veddy proper Victorian times, it may have had something to do with discouraging the crews from enticing their lady friends to join the Fifty Mile an Hour Club in company locomotives. Sean Connery and Donald Sutherland's "Great Train Robbery" notwithstanding.

Men were men in those days. Besides, the heat of the firebox kept 'em warm. IIRC, the arrival of an enclosed cab happened on British and Irish lines very much later than most everywhere else, and the Stirling Single was one of the very first to pander to the panty-waists of the day who wanted ‘protection’ from the inclement weather that often descends from the lowering skies, especially in misera- I mean, less clement Scotland.

tac. ig, ken the GFT & The Ribble Viaduct Boys

Slightly OT, but I’d rather hoped [foolishly, I realise] that these two parallel threads might have come together by now in one single lump.

tac, ig, ken the GFT & The Race-to-the-North Boys