Large Scale Central

Accucraft US website changes

The link between AML and Accucraft is not really broken.

The GP60 pages is:

http://www.accucraft.com/modelc/G801-01.htm#page=page-1

It took me a while to find it, though.

I had the AML G801-06A part number from one of the LSC advertisers, RLD, to start with.

Well, he used to sponsor here. I just looked and could not find any for RLD.

Lots of other sponsers, though.

I honestly and wholeheartedly believe they sperated the 2 lines due to the whole scale/guage issue. I’m glad they are introducing more 1/29th stuff even if they do seperate it from their “finescale or prototypical lines”

I’d have no problem with them buying the Aristo rights btw as they might be in a better finanacial place then Scott to get product on the layouts faster.

Alan:

When I was a kid I had a magic machine that could shrink down any train I saw so I could have it.

But my Mother sold it with all of my baseball cards!

So in case there are readers with settings of, most recent to oldest posting ;

http://www.americanmainline.com/

http://www.accucraft.com/

doug c

… of which i’m sure there will be sooome product at ST’14 how much don’t know ! :wink:

I have a few 1:32nd cars that I run in my 1:29 trains too. I think the variation in size adds visual interest. Not all freight cars were (are) the same size.

I also agree with the comment about fine details. With handling, encroaching plants, and the occasional tussle with squirrels, fine details would get broken off around here.

I do have one AML boxcar, and it is real nice. A definite step above the fleet of Aristo boxcars I have. But the AML wheels have started corroding and have turned some very interesting colours. I wouldn’t mind having more AML cars, but they tend to be a bit pricy for me.

I can understand the reasons for Lewis Polk introducing 1:29 scale model trains when the correct scale had existed for around 100 years… They had to have the WOW factor.

So why bring out something that has no possibility of gaining access to the proper 1:32 scale market? The live steam large scale market for mainline trains is mostly 1:32 and always will be. Notwithstanding some oddball Japanese scale models. I believe 1:32 fans simply will not buy incorrectly scaled models. Excluding the Aristo heavy weights of course, and I have been reliably assured they are not 1:29 scale anyway. Apparently much closer to 1:32 and therefore acceptable. Also serious collectors will never collect oddball scales either.

Personally, I don’t care one way or the other. I have simply never understood the logic of 1:29 scale. Limiting what your market potential could be seems daft marketing to me. Might even partly explain why AristoCraft folded in the end. They simply could not attract every possible customer there could be.

Tony

We don’t always agree, this time however i’m thinking everything you just said makes the move of this line away from their other stuff make sense.

Although I doubt 1/29 scale had anything to do with aristo’s demise, the other facotrs are far more important (economy, the train hobby in general, the age of the avg hobbiest, the start up cost of g guage in any “scale”

Obviously aml thinks there’s money in the 1/29 market of they wouldn’t be building these 3 versions this year and have the sd-9 on the burner for possibly next year.

I’m not hating but I have never understood the 1/29th scale either. I get the “WOW” factor, but wow them with scale track to go along with scale trains. But, LGB already had an established track system so I get it. Personally I think it’s one of the reasons the other scales think of large scale as toys and don’t take it real serious. LGB started it with making big stuff smaller and small stuff bigger so it would all run together. 1/24th on gauge 1 track from various manufacturers. and so on… Most of the people I know call 1/29th the bastard scale when really ‘large scale’ in general is a bastard.

But to swing back to the thread, I think it’s great Accucraft is coming out with more 1/29th AML stuff. The site switch could just be to seperate the scales or maybe the AML line is going to break away from Accucraft? Who knows?

The breakaway from finescale is technically right though. By definition, 1/29th can never be fine scale because the trucks/wheels are out of gauge for the 45mm track it runs on.

Terry

Well maybe someone could introduce scale 1:29 track and trucks. They could have a niche industry in this niche hobby so 1:29 could be “finescale”. Yes, I am kidding, so don’t no one get their shorts in a knot.

:slight_smile:

Lol, i’m tying my shorts up right now!

Talking to a friend the other day, we were discussing that had lewis went with 1/32nd scale if MTH would be in a better place today and if the 1/32 live steam market would be different? i personally think both would be a better more prosperous market.

Terry

Terry.

I agree with you. For the same reasons. The 1:32 Market would have really blossomed. MTH would have added to it. MW has sold a lot of his rolling stock to the live steam market in the past. Especially rakes of coaches. The only makers who would have lost out would have been the expensive boutique coach makers.
If only eh??

But no, the bigger is better logic ruled the roost. I believe to the detriment of itself in the end.

Accucraft will probably make a success of the 1:29 scale market but only if they don’t produce the same inconsistent drive and electrical quality as AristoCraft did.

If the GP60 has anything amiss in the drives, the market is not silly and will react accordingly.

Bachmann (painfully) learnt their lesson with the K-27 and ever since then they have got it right. The Mallet, Forney, Climax and C-19 are all superb locos.

The original question was about the web site… there is a lot of speculation of why the Accucraft site was separated from the AML site.

I asked the question to Accucraft directly, I know a few people there, like the head of marketing and sales and also the owner of Accucraft.

They separated the sites because these are now not only separate product lines but separate business groups, since the 1:29 is big enough to “stand alone” now.

So, you can take my word or contact Accucraft, but no speculation is necessary.

Tony, I have been beating them up on the drive system since they first thought of making diesels in 1:29, like what, 6 years ago? I completely agree with what you are saying and told them in 1:29, people run longer trains and rarely have the locos as shelf queens.

Also, in 1:20.3, long trains are rare as are high speeds.

It scared me that they were studying the Aristo drive and I put them on my web page to show the weaknesses so that they don’t make the same mistakes.

(for all the anti-basher squad: there’s some good things in the Aristo design, but many weaknesses, some quality control, some assembly and some just plain poor design, read my site where the FACTS are presented and then I’d be happy to have a discussion on factual, measurable data)

Greg

the original post had no question whatsoever, so you can kindly stop dictating to others the content of the subsequent posts

the topic is their lines and why they seperated, which is what everyone is talking about.

Luckily they aren’t posting on FB, because for gods sake I would really be getting flogged

Sorry if we are wasting your time on these threads, most of us come here to chat BTW