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700 billion dollar bailout

Well Jerry the monkey with the dart board out performs the experts they say. I sold my stuff back last July jabout 2 weeks before the credit crap kicked off and bought a motorbike. I got £5.60 for them then, which was about 60 pence a share up, yesterday they were £1.97. If I had kept them they would be about £5000 down on last July.

I have absolutly no business acumen and it was sheer luck.

It’s going to be a while before I get any more cos I have to give my money to the government to pay for the banks going bust.

Time for a cuppa :slight_smile:

ACORN’s Senator

By INVESTOR’S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Tuesday, September 30, 2008 4:20 PM PT

Election '08: Barack Obama wasn’t just the second-largest recipient of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac political contributions. He was also the senator from ACORN, the activist leader for risky “affirmative action” loans.

Despite efforts to blame the rescue bill’s failure on the GOP, it should be remembered that 95 Democrats — some 40% of the Democratic Caucus — withheld support. Obama himself also deserves blame — not only for the bill’s failure, but also for the crisis it was designed to solve.

As the New York Times reports, “Aides to Mr. Obama said he had not directly reached out to try to sway any House Democrats who opposed the measure.” Is the reason the fact that the slush fund for ACORN in the original bill, siphoning off 20% of any future profits for such activist groups, was trimmed from the tree?

Obama, who once represented ACORN in a lawsuit against the state of Illinois, was hired by the group to train its community organizers and staff in the methods and tactics of the late Saul Alinsky. ACORN would stage in-your-face protests in bank lobbies, drive-through lanes and even at bank managers’ homes to get them to issue risky loans in the inner city or face charges of racism.

In the early 1990s, reports Stanley Kurtz, senior fellow at the Ethics and Policy Center, Obama was personally recruited by Chicago’s ACORN to run training sessions in “direct action.” That’s the euphemism for the techniques used under the cover of the federal Community Reinvestment Act to intimidate financial institutions into giving what have been called “Ninja” loans — no income, no job, no assets — to people who couldn’t afford them.

CRA was designed to increase minority homeownership. Whenever a bank wanted to grow or expand, ACORN would file complaints that it was not sufficiently sensitive to the needs of minorities in providing home loans. Agitators would then be unleashed.

Chicago’s ACORN used Alinsky’s tactics against institutions such as Bell Federal Savings and Loan and Avondale Federal Savings. In September 1992, the Chicago Tribune described the group’s agenda as “affirmative action lending.”

Obama also helped ACORN get funding. When he served on the board of the Woods Fund for Chicago with Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers, the Woods Fund frequently gave ACORN grants to fund its activist agenda.

In 1995, Kurtz reports, Obama chaired the committee that increased funding of ACORN and other community organizers. The committee report boasted that the fund’s “non-ideological” image “enabled the Trustees to make grants to organizations that use confrontational tactics against the business and governmental ‘establishments’ without undue risk of being accused of partisanship.”

The CRA empowered regulators to punish banks that failed to “meet the credit needs” of “low-income, minority and distressed neighborhoods.” It gave groups such as ACORN a license and a means to intimidate banks, claiming they were “redlining” poor and minority neighborhoods. ACORN employed its tactics in 1991 by taking over the House Banking Committee room for two days to protest efforts to scale back the CRA.

As a former White House staff economist writes in the American Thinker, Obama represented ACORN in a 1994 suit against redlining. ACORN was also a driving force behind a 1995 regulatory revision pushed through by the Clinton administration that greatly expanded the CRA and helped spawn the current financial crisis.

Obama was the attorney representing ACORN in this effort. Last November, he told the group, “I’ve been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career.” Indeed he has. Obama was and is fully aware of what ACORN was doing with the money and expertise he provided. The voters should be aware on Nov. 4 of the roles of both in creating the current crisis.

Blame Fannie Mae and Congress For the Credit Mess
By CHARLES W. CALOMIRIS and PETER J. WALLISON
OPINION - WALL STREET JOURNAL
SEPTEMBER 23, 2008

Many monumental errors and misjudgments contributed to the acute financial turmoil in which we now find ourselves. Nevertheless, the vast accumulation of toxic mortgage debt that poisoned the global financial system was driven by the aggressive buying of subprime and Alt-A mortgages, and mortgage-backed securities, by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The poor choices of these two government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) – and their sponsors in Washington -are largely to blame for our current mess.

How did we get here? Let’s review: In order to curry congressional support after their accounting scandals in 2003 and 2004, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac committed to increased financing of “affordable housing.” They became the largest buyers of subprime and Alt-A mortgages between 2004 and 2007, with total GSE exposure eventually exceeding $1 trillion. In doing so, they stimulated the growth of the subpar mortgage market and substantially magnified the costs
of its collapse.

It is important to understand that, as GSEs, Fannie and Freddie were viewed in the capital markets as government-backed buyers (a belief that has now been reduced to fact). Thus they were able to borrow as much as they wanted for the purpose of buying mortgages and mortgage-backed securities. Their buying patterns and interests were followed closely in the markets. If Fannie and Freddie wanted subprime or Alt-A loans, the mortgage markets would produce them. By late 2004, Fannie and Freddie very much wanted subprime and Alt-A loans. Their accounting had just been revealed as fraudulent, and they were under pressure from Congress to demonstrate that they deserved their considerable privileges. Among other problems, economists at the Federal Reserve and Congressional Budget Office had begun to study them in detail, and found that – despite their subsidized borrowing rates – they did not significantly reduce mortgage interest rates.

In the wake of Freddie’s 2003 accounting scandal, Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan became a powerful opponent, and began to call for stricter regulation of the GSEs and limitations on the growth of their highly profitable, but risky, retained portfolios. If they were not making mortgages cheaper and were creating risks for the taxpayers and the economy, what value were they providing? The answer was their affordable-housing mission. So it was that, beginning in 2004, their portfolios of subprime and Alt-A loans and securities began to grow. Subprime and Alt-A originations in the U.S. rose from less than 8% of all mortgages in 2003 to over 20% in 2006. During this period the quality of subprime loans also declined, going from fixed rate, long-term amortizing loans to loans with low down payments and low (but adjustable) initial rates, indicating that originators were scraping the bottom of the barrel to find product for buyers like the GSEs.

The strategy of presenting themselves to Congress as the champions of affordable housing appears to have worked. Fannie and Freddie retained the support of many in Congress, particularly Democrats, and they were allowed to continue unrestrained. Rep. Barney Frank (D., Mass), for example, now the chair of the House Financial Services Committee, openly described the “arrangement” with the GSEs at a committee hearing on GSE reform in 2003: “Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have played a very useful role in helping to make housing more affordable . . . a mission that this Congress has given them in return for some of the arrangements which are of some benefit to them to focus on affordable housing.” The hint to Fannie and Freddie was obvious: Concentrate on affordable housing and, despite your problems, your congressional support is secure.

In light of the collapse of Fannie and Freddie, both John McCain and Barack Obama now criticize the risk-tolerant regulatory regime that produced the current crisis. But Sen. McCain’s criticisms are at least credible, since he has been pointing to systemic risks in the mortgage market and trying to do something about them for years. In contrast, Sen. Obama’s conversion as a financial reformer marks a reversal from his actions in previous years, when he did nothing to disturb the status quo. The first head of Mr. Obama’s vice-presidential search committee, Jim Johnson, a former chairman of Fannie Mae, was the one who announced Fannie’s original affordable-housing program in 1991 – just as Congress was taking up the first GSE regulatory legislation.

In 2005, the Senate Banking Committee, then under Republican control, adopted a strong reform bill, introduced by Republican Sens. Elizabeth Dole, John Sununu and Chuck Hagel, and supported by then chairman Richard Shelby. The bill prohibited the GSEs from holding portfolios, and gave their regulator prudential authority (such as setting capital requirements) roughly equivalent to a bank regulator. In light of the current financial crisis, this bill was probably the most important piece of financial regulation before Congress in 2005 and 2006.

All the Republicans on the Committee supported the bill, and all the Democrats voted against it. Mr. McCain endorsed the legislation in a speech on the Senate floor. Mr. Obama, like all other Democrats, remained silent. Now the Democrats are blaming the financial crisis on “deregulation.” This is a canard. There has indeed been deregulation in our economy – in long-distance telephone rates, airline fares, securities brokerage and trucking, to name just a few – and this has produced much innovation and lower consumer prices. But the primary “deregulation” in the financial world in the last 30 years permitted banks to diversify their risks geographically and across different products, which is one of the things that has kept banks relatively stable in this storm.

As a result, U.S. commercial banks have been able to attract more than $100 billion of new capital in the past year to replace most of their subprime-related write-downs. Deregulation of branching restrictions and limitations on bank product offerings also made possible bank acquisition of Bear Stearns and Merrill Lynch, saving billions in likely resolution costs for taxpayers. If the Democrats had let the 2005 legislation come to a vote, the huge growth in the subprime and Alt-A loan portfolios of Fannie and Freddie could not have occurred, and the scale of the financial meltdown would have been substantially less. The same politicians who today decry the lack of intervention to stop excess risk taking in 2005-2006 were the ones who blocked the only legislative effort that could have stopped it.

Mr. Calomiris is a professor of finance and economics at Columbia Business School and a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. Mr. Wallison, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, was general counsel of the Treasury Department in the Reagan administration.

Thanks, Ken and Steve for the articles.

Here’s my take:

“Affordable Housing” is a buzzword (or “spin”) meaning “Government Paid Housing” which means “Taxpayer Paid Housing”.

The $700B is just our (the taxpayer’s) first installment payment for that. In other words, $700B won’t fix (end) the problem, as the underlying laws that created the problem (see previous 2 posts) are still on the books and in force.

Last polls I heard, at least 70 percent of people are against the bailout, and nearly 100% of communications (phone calls, e-mails, etc.) to the legislators are against it.

(Data could be off a little or old, newer data welcome.)

Cries of “Credit will dry up without the bailout” is spin for “Our Liar’s Loan and Ninja Loan Scams are over”.

Sincerely,

Joe Satnik

Ken, Steve:

Very interesting and detailed articles. They seem to go directly to the roots of the root of much of the problem.

I totally agree with Joe’s reply.

It should also be noted that we now have well over 2 million vacant houses across the country. The builders are now demanding a bailout for themselves, the banks that own these houses are demanding relief from local taxes and expecting the federal government to pay for their predatory and inept lending practices, and we who are still able will pay the bill.

Those two articles fix a great deal of the blame on the very people (read greedy liars, cheats and outright thieves) who are going to further rob our financial system under the guise of ‘doing something.’ This is DISGUSTING!

Now, about that tea party . . .

Happy RRing,

Jerry

Interesting articles, Ken, Steve
A sub prime mortgage includes any home that isn’t owner occupied, as well as any property with no/low equity loans. Many of these loans were to investors and speculators. I can show you hundreds of homes in foreclosure that have never been occupied.
This is not a problem created by poor people unable to make their house payment.
The government helped create this problem by dropping interest rates continuously. When investors were making so little interest, they looked for other safe investments. Money poured into real estate, driving up prices to unrealistic levels. When the bubble burst (it always does), many just walked away from the properties that were now worth less than what was owed. And yes, there were many homeowners , rich and poor, caught up in the mess.
What the government does not tell you is that one of the major reasons credit is tight is the government is sucking up all the available credit in the market. As the stock market was crashing Monday, the Fed was selling the hell out of T-bills.
Ralph

A very recent article on TV showed rows of brand new, never occupied houses in the S.F. bay area. They went inside some of these and showed where all the (copper) piping and wiring had been torn out by thieves. The method of removal was to simply break through the wallboard, find a pipe or wire, hook on to it and rip it out through the wallboard, thus destroying the interior finish of the entire house in the process. The person being interviewed said there are hundreds of houses that have been similarly destroyed in that one area.

They did ask some police authorities what was being done to stop this. The answer was an evasive ‘we can’t be everywhere, we don’t have enough manpower, we don’t have enough budget, we don’t care.’ Once again, our government at work.

On another tack: If the stock market is overpriced, and needs to adjust downward, then why not let it? Why is it my financial responsibility to support the so-called ‘investors’ (read greedy gamblers) so they can continue to profit from hype? It seems like the bailout vote is virtually 100% tied to whether the stock market is going up or down. Some leadership we have in this country!!

As Ralph points out, our government is causing much of the problem. How can we rely on them to fix it?

Happy RRing,

Jerry

Remember the early 2000s, when companies such as WorldCom, Enron, Tyco and Xerox suddenly and spectacularly were revealed to have been cooking their books?

Remember the glee expressed by Washington politicians, especially Democrats, as they watched CEOs and their underlings get perp-walked out of their buildings and into federal custody?

Wonder how many of the perpetrators in this disaster will be given the same treatment?

A federal grand jury in New York is probing the accounting shenanigans at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. It’s about time, and we hope it doesn’t end there.

The Senate passes their amended bailout bill which includes an additional 105 billion in “sweeteners”.
Unfortunately the Senate web site makes no mention of the bill. Three other bills voted on today are on the web-site.
As for any investigation…eye candy for our benefit. They may give us a few “sacrificial lambs” to appease the public call for heads to roll.
Ralph

Jerry Bowers said:
Ken, Steve:

Now, about that tea party . . .

Happy RRing,

Jerry


Do I have to dress like an Indian??? :wink:

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The Armageddon Avoidance Bill. SO full of pork it will give anyone a heart attack!

Let me see if I understand this. When the House said no, the stock market went up almost 500 points. When the Senate said yes to this new abomination, the stock market tanked, again.

Is that about right?

I guess that 75% of our Senators are ignoring the will of the people who elected them.
I hope people take the time to see how their Senator voted and respond accordingly on election day.
Ralph

Ralph Berg said:
I guess that 75% of our Senators are ignoring the will of the people who elected them. I hope people take the time to see how their Senator voted and respond accordingly on election day. Ralph
It seems that we are a government of the people, for the people only when the people know what's "good" for them. The war vote was similar. Government protecting the people from themselves. So who will protect us from the government ?

The problem with voting the bums out is you usually just get fresh bums… so maybe it’s better the devil you know?

Mik said:
The problem with voting the bums out is you usually just get fresh bums... so maybe it's better the devil you know?
Lawmakers have acknowledged voters are overwhelmingly against the bill. Totally disregard your constituency and you should expect to be voted out. I think the average voter is smart enough to know you can't borrow your way out of the excessive National dept that is the root of the problem. You only delay the inevitable. You have to treat the cancer, not the symptoms. Ralph
Ralph Berg said:
Mik said:
The problem with voting the bums out is you usually just get fresh bums... so maybe it's better the devil you know?
Lawmakers have acknowledged voters are overwhelmingly against the bill. Totally disregard your constituency and you should expect to be voted out. I think the average voter is smart enough to know you can't borrow your way out of the excessive National dept that is the root of the problem. You only delay the inevitable. You have to treat the cancer, not the symptoms. Ralph
Ralph,

Way back in the early seventies a customer mentioned that whenever things get dicey enough “someone” was liable to start a “little war”. Looks to me like that happened not long ago, pity was/is it wasn’t seen for what it really was/is: a nice camouflage to cover up a multitude of other “sins”.
In Roman times it used to be bread and circuses, today it is dough and hoopla. All we need now are the T-shirts! :wink: :slight_smile:

Hans-Joerg,

You need to check out this video…
Burning Down the House: What Caused our Economic Crisis?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4&feature=iv&annotation_id=event_597487%20

Bob,

It is the old story: GREED and I’M OK JACK along with the usual bull-roar about the market regulating itself.