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    • April 7, 2020 7:23 AM EDT
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      Eric, I love how you include your children into the hobby. It is fun to see their pictures being involved. It is easy to see you are making it pleasurable for them,

      you are making memories for them that will last a lifetime for them. They will talk about and involve their kids in something because you involved your hobby with them. 

      You are planting seeds in these kids' lives that will produce a harvest you may or may not see, but rest assured you are improving their lives and their children's lives.

      And thank you for helping the spread of the hobby, these kids are the future of us and the hobby.

      Dennis

    • April 11, 2020 6:49 PM EDT
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      Dennis,

      A belated Thank You.  Their interest does wax and wane, but I notice my box-o-scrap keeps getting smaller, I am running out of glue, and other little projects keep appearing and disappearing.  Somewhere, they seem to be getting the ida that creating for the fun and challenge  of creating is "OK."  Of course, the teenage years are coming!

       

      Aloha,

      Eric

    • April 11, 2020 8:03 PM EDT

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      Eric Mueller said:   Of course, the teenage years are coming!

       

      Aloha,

      Eric

       

       

       

      Rooster lights a candle for Eric !

    • April 15, 2020 3:08 AM EDT
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      GAP,

      I just got a copy of "Fowler Locomotives in the Kingdom of Hawaii" by Jesse C. Conde.  It actually has the Fowler plans for their ready-to-order railroads that ran out here!  20" gage?  Really?  And photos to boot?  Plus a photo from another neighborhood railway now lost to time for over a century.  Lots of history, lots of ideas packed into about 40 pages, and much of it went back to what you advised...each plantation was its own beat that built to its own needs.

       

      Eric

    • April 15, 2020 3:44 AM EDT
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      Books are cool, and directly relevant books are even cooler!

    • April 15, 2020 5:05 PM EDT
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      Eric Mueller said:

      GAP,

      I just got a copy of "Fowler Locomotives in the Kingdom of Hawaii" by Jesse C. Conde.  It actually has the Fowler plans for their ready-to-order railroads that ran out here!  20" gage?  Really?  And photos to boot?  Plus a photo from another neighborhood railway now lost to time for over a century.  Lots of history, lots of ideas packed into about 40 pages, and much of it went back to what you advised...each plantation was its own beat that built to its own needs.

       

      Eric

      Some more things to keep you occupied. Pictures

      https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Sugar+Cane+Railways+of+Hawaii&FORM=IRBPRS&=0

      This post was edited by GAP at April 15, 2020 5:07 PM EDT
    • May 1, 2020 9:04 PM EDT
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      Update:

       

      As I run out of lock-down project material, I returned to these can cares.  First, a coat of flat black on my kebob skewers went a long way to making those look like metal.  Next, I looked to where I have been ignoring the deck.  The plan is still to drill holes in the end beams to mount the vertical posts for the bulkheads and to use cotter pins dropped into holes in the frame to attach the chains.  I had been holding off on the deck due to lack of cotter pins.  I had planned to place the pins, then cut the deck to suit.  Then it dawned on me to go back to my photographs.  The eybolts holding the chains went through the deck into the frame:

      OK.  I unnecessarily delayed this project when the answer was literally in my research of the real thing.   Duhhhhh....

       

          Craft sticks and hobby saw are on hand.  Time to deck over the frames!  

       

      Eric

       

      P.S. Forrest, the author of that book I cited has a bunch of books on the Kingdom's / Republic's / Territory's rail systems.  Many are expensive and hard to find, but at least I know they are out there!  The funny thing is, I don't even know what I was searching for when I stumbled upon the ad for this little booklet!

      This post was edited by Eric Mueller at May 1, 2020 9:07 PM EDT
    • May 1, 2020 10:38 PM EDT
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      Did you locate suitable chains for the cars?

       

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    • May 2, 2020 2:39 AM EDT
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      Tim, 

       

      I am waiting for the local craft store to open.  Hopefully, they'll have something.   I have almost enough stuff on my list to justify a run to the hardware store, so we'll see what they  have, too.  

       

      For now, the boys helped me deck over the frames.  Tomorrow, we'll touch things up a bit, and at least we'll have some nice flats.  It is fun to see our own handiwork on the rails behind motive power we restored from a low baseline.  It should be more fun with decks on these frames!  I am still debating between leaving them plain or following the local practice of painting them green.  I might paint one and see how it looks.

       

      Eric

    • May 3, 2020 8:24 PM EDT

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      Tim said:

      Did you locate suitable chains for the cars?

       

       

        

    • May 4, 2020 1:22 AM EDT
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      Rooster,

       

      Hardware store was a dry hole for chains.  I did get the little cotter pins I need, though.  Oldest Son helped me drive "nails" into the deck, using a "Sharpie" to drop little dots on the deck to represent nail heads. He learned the value of using a ruler, as his line of nails snaked across the deck.  He then learned the corrective power of sandpaper...   

       

      Things are  starting to open up.  By mid-May, I imagine I'll be able to source those chains.  I know I could order them, but I try to divorce myself as much as possible from mail order when I can.

       

      Eric

    • May 4, 2020 8:16 AM EDT
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      Eric Mueller said:
        By mid-May, I imagine I'll be able to source those chains.  I know I could order them, but ...

      Usable chain might be found in the craft department even at places like Walmart, look where beads and jewelry supplies are.

      And the chain sometimes is offered in both silver and black.

      For instance, but you'd better hurry to Missouri, only 1 in the store!

      https://www.walmart.com/ip/Cousin-90-Small-Black-Chain-1-Each/19232002

      Cousin 90" Small Black Chain, 1 Each

      Average rating:5out of5stars, based on1reviews1 reviews
      Walmart # 565349007
      $3.27$3.27
      $3.27 / each
      Only 1 left!
      This post was edited by Forrest Scott Wood at May 4, 2020 8:22 AM EDT
    • May 4, 2020 7:40 PM EDT

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      Eric Mueller said:

      Rooster,

       

      Hardware store was a dry hole for chains.  I did get the little cotter pins I need, though.  Oldest Son helped me drive "nails" into the deck, using a "Sharpie" to drop little dots on the deck to represent nail heads. He learned the value of using a ruler, as his line of nails snaked across the deck.  He then learned the corrective power of sandpaper...   

       

      Things are  starting to open up.  By mid-May, I imagine I'll be able to source those chains.  I know I could order them, but I try to divorce myself as much as possible from mail order when I can.

       

      Eric

       

       

      Eric,

         Have you dug into all the home jewelry boxes yet ?  I found old worthless chains quite recently that I had forgotten about which were worthless and wondered why it was saved.

    • May 4, 2020 8:24 PM EDT
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      Mall kiosks have costume jewelry, ask for anchor chains, color with sharpies....

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      John

       

      The older I get, the less I know, please don't make me prove it.

       

       

    • May 5, 2020 3:10 PM EDT
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      John Caughey said:

      Mall kiosks have costume jewelry, ask for anchor chains, color with sharpies....

       

      Also Michaels & Joanne's Fabrics online stores. Also, a fun place to hunt for that kind of thing (whenever they open again) are thrift store costume jewelry bins.

    • May 5, 2020 3:33 PM EDT
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      Also, a fun place to hunt for that kind of thing (whenever they open again) are thrift store costume jewelry bins.

      That's where I get my chains for my link-and-pins. We have a local store called "The Best of Everything" and it does seem to have it all.

       

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        Pete

    • May 6, 2020 12:29 AM EDT
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      Thanks, everyone.  Retail stores start to open Thursday state-wide.  Hopefully, this will mean the craft store, too.

       

      We are inching towards the finish line!

       

      Eric

    • May 23, 2020 3:28 AM EDT
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      Update:

       1/4"x1/4" strips of  wood, cheap chains, and tiny cotter pins are all on hand!  Today, as part of OD's COVID-induced ad hoc homeschooling, we set up the lanai for a class in "Applied Ferroequinology." 

      In her case, she made a push on her coach, which she'll document elsewhere, and I returned to the these cane cars.

       

          I have been using the time waiting for bits to ponder how to affix the uprights for the  bulkheads.  They have to look right and be durable.  I had considered boring out the endbeams and sticking the uprights in the hole, but, on reflection, rejected the idea as an screwup could lead to a loss of the chassis.  Some day, I may need wrecked cane cars, but that is not my goal here!  I went back to the books and then looked at the LGB cane cars I scored last year.  Most had pockets bolted to the frame, and the LGB car drew from those examples.  Again, simply affixing a pocket was not going to answer the durability question.  For now, I drilled tap-holes into the uprights, through the endbeams, and into the chassis, dropped on some TiteBond III, then gently tapped the nails into the cars.  

      That seemed to me the best compromise between durability and appearance.  Taken broadside, the nails disappear:

      ...or they would have had this been a broadside shot! There is probably some way to simulate that pocket.  For the moment, I rejected little bits of styrene as overly fiddly and ultimately not likely to last long on our railroad.  I have aluminum tape ready to hand, the hobby shop has styrene strips with various cross-sections, or I could leave well enough alone.   Those are giant bolts, not nails, I am sure to my 1:24 scale crewmen!

       

           This is my "off week," so I hope to finish all five cars.  Technically, if I go by the cars in the picture somewhere at the beginning of this thread showing the Waimanalo plantation train, they are "done." I want to go a bit further, as I like the bulkeads and chains on the surviving example from another plantation at the museum.  The next step, then, is to convert craft sticks into boards and affix them to the uprights.  Then, I'll drill holes into the vertical timbers so I can hang the chain.  I want to get a nice catenary, and I thought it would be easier to judge things with the bulkheads in place.  After the fore-and-aft chains are set and I have a sense of how they look, I'll drive the holes for the cotter pins and link in the vertical chains.  I plan to put two per side, probably just inside the journals.  I'll finish the construction with GAP's recommended journal bearing covers.  Rumor has it we've a single hole punch somewhere, so popping a few circular caps of out styrene should be pretty quick and easy.

       

           I am still going back and forth about painting.  The local example is green.  Painting would protect the wood, of course, and allow for some work with a brass brush to weather these things and give them some individuality.  That being said, I am fond of the bare wood look, though I may make a mixture of stains to break up the uniformity of all those bright, white planks.  These cars will not remain outside, so I doubt they will naturally weather like the wood trim of some of our structures.  If nothing else, the cars are going to get numbers and maybe a weight rating.   I have photos that show at least the former, and the latter seems like a good idea.

       

         More to come!

       

      Have a Great Weekend!

       

      Eric

    • May 23, 2020 6:01 AM EDT
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      Eric,

      Those uprights look perfect, from a growers point of view the wider the base of the wagon the more cane he can get to the mill and make more money.

      For weathering look for some raw umber in the artist acrylic paints area, it looks like dirt when applied to white sticks and the wagons were not painted (that cost money) but just raw timber.

      These were working wagons and were produced cheaply, poorly maintained (when they were unusable the timber went into the boiler fires) so feel free to distress then as much as possible.

      Bit of permanent marker one the brass will hide the shine.

      Bit of history of Australian "whole stick" wagons for reference

      https://www.zelmeroz.com/album_model/ngdu/24_wstick.pdf

    • May 23, 2020 2:10 PM EDT
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      GAP.

       

      They "stole" my design!  Thanks for the tips, too.  We'll leave these bare, but weather and distress them after we add the car numbers.  I have also come across enough examples now of "reverse sprung" cars, that my bare-bones journals have ceased to bother me.

       

      Getting my Civil War kit together for a Memorial Day event now, so progress will wait until later.

       

      Eric

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