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    • August 27, 2020 6:20 PM EDT
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      Pete Thornton said:
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      Who counts rivets ?

      The poor guy who did the drawings, that's who. Actually, they are all in matching patterns, so once you count the rivets alongside one window, then just count windows and multiply. I think I estimated 1,500 per side. Have to know what to order from Grandt line, right?

      What drawings?

       I did a complete set of drawings for G.A.L. to cut the styrene. Want a copy?

       

      No thank you but it is very neat and I really appreciate the offer!

    • August 27, 2020 6:39 PM EDT
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      All the info needed is in the pictures as I have said for years! My boy getting a lecture from Ric while Hollywood points out a spotted lantern fly.

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

      Boys still getting a lecture !

       

       

       

       

       

      Interesting !

       

       

    • August 27, 2020 8:17 PM EDT
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      Nice shot .....

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    • August 28, 2020 6:23 AM EDT
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      Maybe he's telling him were the knee pads went ...

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    • August 28, 2020 9:02 AM EDT
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      Sean McGillicuddy said:

      Maybe he's telling him were the knee pads went ...

      Hey Sean,  Knee pads aren't needed, if the layout is raised off the ground and I can stay up off the ground.  Lately, I'm also needing a support cane or platform to get back up.  This age thing isn't for the weak of heart.  

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      Actually I'm explaining to Zak, that I know he thinks his Dad doesn't know anything, but each year as he gets older he'll be amazed at how smart his Dad is becoming.  Happens to all of us.  Zak's a good guy, but there is no doubt he's Rooster's Son.  You can see it in the eyes.  Piss him off and you're liable to get a beer can chucked in to the back of your head from 50 feet away. 

    • August 29, 2020 1:25 PM EDT
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      David Marconi,FOGCH said:

      Nice shot .....

      Good looking coaches! 

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    • September 1, 2020 7:47 PM EDT
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      So was M1 a Brill or a White or a combination of both ....Looks like all Brill to me however Amtrak never purchased Brill.

    • September 1, 2020 8:12 PM EDT
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      M1 was shop built by the EBT in Rockhill Furnace. Some parts and maybe design work came from Brill. My memory is a bit foggy, I have the Bible at hand, but to lazy to crack it open and look it up. I think the power plant is either marine or aircraft.

       

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    • September 1, 2020 8:16 PM EDT
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      Text cut and pasted from Chris Coleman's OldEastie.com...

      M-1 was build by the EBT shops under license from Brill from scaled down Brill model 250 railcar plans. She was built from a kit (order #22416) which included a Brill engine, air tanks and #27 MCB trucks and Westinghouse electricals, traction motors and type AML brakes. The trucks are reported to have been cut down from standard gauge ones without changing the dapener, thus causing harmonic 'wobbles' at certain speeds. They were equipped with roller bearings, and coach 8 was similarly equipped for use as a trailer. Each truck houses two 75 HP traction motors.

      She was intended to keep mail and some passengers moving on the days the mines were closed and there was not enought traffic to warrant trains thus maintaining the lucrative mail contract. M-1 was very successful and could even handle a few loads. The unit operated regularly through the rest of the EBT common carrier era. M-1 continued operating after the end of common carrier service. She made a few trips to Robertsdale and made regular runs to Mount Union to deliver special orders made in the still operating Rockhill Shops to the refractory plants. She even struggled as far as Saltillo in the early 1960s to prove the ROW was still active and could not be removed for the construction of the new High School at Pogue.

      The engine in the unit is a straight 6 cylinder Brill gasoline engine. Displacement is about 1600 cubic inches and develops 300 hp. The engine type was designed for submision for a Naval contract to supply engines for Airships. As such the original engines were constructed of lightweight materials. Brill did not win the contract, so deceded to use it to branch into the self-propelled railcar market from their mainstay of traction (trolley and interurban) equipment. Although constructed of heavier materials, the weight saving and airborne design elements of the engine remained, indcluding an aluminum head. For example, the unit has two aerobatic carburetors, one for the front 3 and one for the rear 3 cylinders. This insured enough air reached the cylinders even at altitude. There are two independent "Scintilla" magneto ignition systems, each of which has its own spark plug in each cylinder. This avoids sparks outside the engine, a bad idea on a hydrogen airship. Either or both systems can be used; "none" shuts the engine down. The cylinders have 4 valves (2 in, 2 out). Reporedly there is a large main bearing at the rear of the engine suitable to mount a prepellor from. Also, as the engine was designed for constant RMP operations as with a propellor, not varying RPMs as for use with a transmission. That is why an electrical transmission system was used. That way the engine could run at a generally constant RMP and speed could be controlled electrically.

      The traction generator is connected to the motor via a flexable coupling. On the back of that yet is the exciter generator. The traction generator is series-wound, and generates up to about 200 amps for brief periods. The feed to the traction motors is 600V DC feeding four traction motors, one on each axle. Teh traction motors are units intended for mine use, as standard gauge units would not fit.

      M-1 was reactivated by Railways to Yesterday volunteers in the 1960's. whe was restored to a brown livery, but later repainted in more appropriate green. In 2003 the car recived a replacmemnt engine-generator coupling and other component rebuilds. She continues to operate, but only makes revenue runs during Fall Spectaculars.

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    • September 2, 2020 3:31 AM EDT
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      Sounds very similar to the LO&S M-10 that runs at Strassburg. 

      It too, was built by the LO&S crews mainly to keep the mail contract and save money.

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    • September 2, 2020 7:18 AM EDT
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      That's a great unit!  Good memories of watching it at Strasburg.

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      And a pencil sketch hanging on a dining room wall.

    • September 2, 2020 8:07 AM EDT
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      Crossing Market St in Oxford. It's actually a watercolor.

       

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    • September 2, 2020 5:03 PM EDT
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      Sounds very similar to the LO&S M-10 that runs at Strassburg.

      If you look closely, you'll not the trucks are the same design as those on M-1. Maybe a tad shorter. I found some similar ones on a trolley running at the Scranton Electric City Trolley Museum.

       

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    • September 3, 2020 8:03 PM EDT
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      Pete Thornton said:

      Sounds very similar to the LO&S M-10 that runs at Strassburg.

      If you look closely, you'll not the trucks are the same design as those on M-1. Maybe a tad shorter. I found some similar ones on a trolley running at the Scranton Electric City Trolley Museum.

       

      What trucks would you recommend for the M1 kit you designed for GAL?

    • September 4, 2020 2:08 PM EDT
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      Rooster said:
      Pete Thornton said:

      Sounds very similar to the LO&S M-10 that runs at Strassburg.

      If you look closely, you'll not the trucks are the same design as those on M-1. Maybe a tad shorter. I found some similar ones on a trolley running at the Scranton Electric City Trolley Museum.

      What trucks would you recommend for the M1 kit you designed for GAL?

      That was another problem. M-1 has 33" wheels, which are huge by our standards - basically std gauge. Clem (Warriorrunlocoworks) came up with a bunch of used FA trucks, and the one I picked worked, so we sent it to Dave Queener to install some std gauge F scale 33" wheels. Unfortunately, the FA truck has those silly tapered axles, so it was a very costly job!  I did anticipate being able to extend the wheelbase of the FA truck out to 8'.  As was documented above, they are std gauge trucks  narrowed to fit on 3' track.

       

      Kevin is using the Bachmann 45 tonner trucks, which weren't announced when we did the plans. I believe they have 33" wheels, although the wheelbase is too short (std gauge loco available in many gauges, so it has std gauge wheels.) If anyone wants to give me a 45-tonner truck, I'd be happy to make it work at 8'. (Probably have to make new brass frames.) Then you can 3D print the side frames?  Dave Q has plenty of steel 33" wheels for the non-powered truck.

      This post was edited by Pete Thornton at September 6, 2020 9:54 AM EDT
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      No interest myself Pete ...only learning

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