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    • August 18, 2020 7:42 PM EDT
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      Righty tighty, lefty loosey.

      I think.

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    • August 19, 2020 9:13 AM EDT
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      Ha ha!  You hit a home run with this one, Lou.   LOL

    • August 19, 2020 9:20 AM EDT
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      Rooster said:

       

      It would take a far better modeler than me.  Kevin Strong is building a true to scale model for his Tuscarora Valley Railroad (http://tuscarorarailroad.blogspot.com/).  He doesn't have it on his blog, yet.  But there are postings around.  I hauled a 1:29 Dooddlebug around for awhile, somethings are just too long.  It would make a great model, because it did haul freight cars and did some switching.  The HLW Rail Bus is a good puller with both powered trucks.

    • August 19, 2020 9:27 AM EDT
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      Rooster said:

       

      I have my thoughts on captions but interested in yours?

      How about - " A friend of mine had his finger up like that and some Gal just broke it right off" 

       

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    • August 19, 2020 12:44 PM EDT
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      Ric Golding said:
      Rooster said:

       

      It would take a far better modeler than me.  Kevin Strong is building a true to scale model for his Tuscarora Valley Railroad (http://tuscarorarailroad.blogspot.com/).  He doesn't have it on his blog, yet.  But there are postings around.  I hauled a 1:29 Dooddlebug around for awhile, somethings are just too long.  It would make a great model, because it did haul freight cars and did some switching.  The HLW Rail Bus is a good puller with both powered trucks.

      Actually, Kevin shortened his M-1 by 6' (it is 42" long in 1:20.3; like the doodlebug it is a bit much,) and is using outside rod trucks from the B'mann GE 44 tonner. Not quite true to scale

       

      I started drawings for M-2, which might fit the HLW Railbus, and it doesn't have so many rivets.

       

      This post was edited by Pete Thornton at August 19, 2020 12:51 PM EDT
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    • August 20, 2020 1:35 PM EDT
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      Actually, Kevin shortened his M-1 by 6' (it is 42" long in 1:20.3; like the doodlebug it is a bit much,) and is using outside rod trucks from the B'mann GE 44 tonner. Not quite true to scale

      I started drawings for M-2, which might fit the HLW Railbus, and it doesn't have so many rivets.

       

      Love the gasolene pump in the picture!   That rear axle would be a good candidate for the HLW wheel differential set they used in their little Rail Buggy.  I've got a couple of those around here somewhere.  At one time you could buy one for about $25.  

    • August 21, 2020 8:16 AM EDT
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      Just wanted to thank Ken for having us all down.  It was a fun weekend and really good to see some faces I hadn't in quite a while.   Also, I finally made good on getting to Ken's, it only took 4 years!

       

       

      As for Rosters conversation picture,  I remember standing there having that conversation, but for the life of me can't remember what we were talking about.  I do like the theories you guys have come up with. Maybe one of them will jog my memory.

       

      Ric, I think a model of M2 would be fantastic.  Looking forward to seeing it at kens next year.

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    • August 21, 2020 8:30 AM EDT
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      Randy said - "Ric, I think a model of M2 would be fantastic. Looking forward to seeing it at kens next year. " 

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      Yes it would.  But unlike the M1 and M2 did not pull freight cars or do much switching.  My whole infatuation with the EBT and the M1 was its versatilllity to all passengers, mail and freight.

      The M1 is a powerful beast for its size and build.

    • August 21, 2020 10:52 AM EDT
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      Ric Golding said:

      Randy said - "Ric, I think a model of M2 would be fantastic. Looking forward to seeing it at kens next year. " 

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      Yes it would.  But unlike the M1 and M2 did not pull freight cars or do much switching.  My whole infatuation with the EBT and the M1 was its versatilllity to all passengers, mail and freight.

      The M1 is a powerful beast for its size and build.

      If you need my drawing, I doubt it will be next year. 

      Ric, M-2 was a failure as it wouldn't stay on the track. It was sold or scrapped after only a year. There's a White truck frame under the modified trolley body. And a chain drive.

      I agree that the HLW buggy axle drive would work. I acquired a Bmann railtruck so I have the front truck too. However, the HLW rail bus with 2 trucks powered would make a good option.

      Don't get too carried away by M-1 and freight. It occasionally pushed a hopper around the yard, but the only thing it took out of the yard was coach #8, which had roller bearings fitted (still does) for that purpose. GAL will sell you a complete M-1 body kit, but you will have to fit 2,000 rivets yourself. And find 8ft trucks with 33in wheels, which is why, i think, Kevin went with the 44-tonner trucks.

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    • August 21, 2020 6:02 PM EDT
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      Pete Thornton said:
      Ric Golding said:

      Randy said - "Ric, I think a model of M2 would be fantastic. Looking forward to seeing it at kens next year. " 

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      Yes it would.  But unlike the M1 and M2 did not pull freight cars or do much switching.  My whole infatuation with the EBT and the M1 was its versatilllity to all passengers, mail and freight.

      The M1 is a powerful beast for its size and build.

      If you need my drawing, I doubt it will be next year. 

      Ric, M-2 was a failure as it wouldn't stay on the track. It was sold or scrapped after only a year. There's a White truck frame under the modified trolley body. And a chain drive.

      I agree that the HLW buggy axle drive would work. I acquired a Bmann railtruck so I have the front truck too. However, the HLW rail bus with 2 trucks powered would make a good option.

      Don't get too carried away by M-1 and freight. It occasionally pushed a hopper around the yard, but the only thing it took out of the yard was coach #8, which had roller bearings fitted (still does) for that purpose. GAL will sell you a complete M-1 body kit, but you will have to fit 2,000 rivets yourself. And find 8ft trucks with 33in wheels, which is why, i think, Kevin went with the 44-tonner trucks.

       

       

      Who counts rivets ?

    • August 22, 2020 8:18 AM EDT
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      Pete said - "Don't get too carried away by M-1 and freight. It occasionally pushed a hopper around the yard, but the only thing it took out of the yard was coach #8, which had roller bearings fitted (still does) for that purpose. "

      Been awhile since I've seen the photos, but I thought I have seen a picture of M-1 doing some switching at Mt. Union and at Orbisonia.  My memory is of a box car being shoved and then there is the pictures of the M-1 with a coal hopper.  Understand, my memory is sometimes quite creative and I have even imagined I have more friends than I really have.  So any thing is possible.

    • August 24, 2020 2:17 PM EDT
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      Who counts rivets ?

      The poor guy who did the drawings, that's who. Actually, they are all in matching patterns, so once you count the rivets alongside one window, then just count windows and multiply. I think I estimated 1,500 per side. Have to know what to order from Grandt line, right?

      My memory is of a box car being shoved and then there is the pictures of the M-1 with a coal hopper. 

      I've seen the photo of M-1 pushing a hopper onto the retail delivery trestle at Mt Union, and Phill Glass confirmed he had heard of similar small shunting activities.

      Phil was the custodian/Driver for M-1 before Courtney Brown. And you will appreciate this as owner of the pair of boxcabs. Phil's nickname was "The Evil Dr Phil".

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    • August 24, 2020 6:54 PM EDT
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      Pete Thornton said:

      Who counts rivets ?

      The poor guy who did the drawings, that's who. Actually, they are all in matching patterns, so once you count the rivets alongside one window, then just count windows and multiply. I think I estimated 1,500 per side. Have to know what to order from Grandt line, right?

      What drawings?

    • August 25, 2020 8:02 AM EDT
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      Pete said - "I've seen the photo of M-1 pushing a hopper onto the retail delivery trestle at Mt Union, and Phill Glass confirmed he had heard of similar small shunting activities.

      Phil was the custodian/Driver for M-1 before Courtney Brown. And you will appreciate this as owner of the pair of boxcabs. Phil's nickname was "The Evil Dr Phil"."

      I always enjoyed animated conversations with Phil.  He was pretty close to incapable of hearing from riding next to the engine in the M-1.  I asked him once why he didn't wear ear protection and he told me that would prevent him from hearing the valves.     Always thought that was quite ironic.  Right around the turn of the century, I was able to spend many trips with Phil as he propelled the M-1 down the  track.  Most of the time with the bulkhead in place, but once with it removed, as they were working on the backside of the engine at the time.  The EBT M-1 is a traveling museum by itself.

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      Rooster said:

      I have my thoughts on captions but interested in yours?

       I think this is the part of the conversation where Randy tells the story about someone saying bad things about live steam he says, (and I will leave off the beginning of the quote),  "... and the horse you rode in on! 

       

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      The Babs River Railway

      We can do that, but its gonna cost you... a lot more

       

    • August 25, 2020 11:45 AM EDT
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      Rooster said:
      Pete Thornton said:

      Who counts rivets ?

      The poor guy who did the drawings, that's who. Actually, they are all in matching patterns, so once you count the rivets alongside one window, then just count windows and multiply. I think I estimated 1,500 per side. Have to know what to order from Grandt line, right?

      What drawings?

      How do you think we got as far as making a prototype? I did a complete set of drawings for G.A.L. to cut the styrene. Want a copy?

       

       

      Sample attached below:

      This post was edited by Pete Thornton at August 25, 2020 11:57 AM EDT
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    • August 26, 2020 8:45 AM EDT
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      Pete Thornton said:
      Rooster said:
      Pete Thornton said:

      Who counts rivets ?

      The poor guy who did the drawings, that's who. Actually, they are all in matching patterns, so once you count the rivets alongside one window, then just count windows and multiply. I think I estimated 1,500 per side. Have to know what to order from Grandt line, right?

      What drawings?

      How do you think we got as far as making a prototype? I did a complete set of drawings for G.A.L. to cut the styrene. Want a copy?

       

       

      Sample attached below:

      Pete, I'd really like a copy of those drawings.  Please check your messages.  Can you show the cover of what reference book you have open in this picture?

    • August 26, 2020 3:53 PM EDT
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        Can you show the cover of what reference book you have open in this picture?

      I'm pretty sure that's "the bible" for all EBT fans: Edit: Nope. I remembered I am in MD where all my EBT books are. It was P152 of "Along the East Broad Top" by Donald Heimberger.

       

       

       

      I replied to the message. Basically, I did the drawings in Visio and exported them to DWG and DXF files. Plus I 'printed' a set of PDF's that can make up a full-size side and end drawing. Not sure I ever bothered with the back drawing!

      This post was edited by Pete Thornton at August 26, 2020 4:56 PM EDT
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      Thank you Pete.  Went back and reviewed my EBT Books.  Been awhile since I've had them open.  Wow, still such great stuff!  Your drawings are really good.  For years, I carried a 1:29 Doodlebug around in our travels.  What a beast of a box to find a place for.  30 inches for a 1:20.3 M-1 sounds massive.  At Ken's, we watched and somewhat helped Randy load his EBT equipment in their Subaru.  His son, Ryder, really wanted just too much room for his legs.  No respect for the required railroad equipment that needed to be carried. 

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      No respect for the required railroad equipment that needed to be carried.

      The hoppers are bad enough, but imagine the coaches. I had #29, #3, #12, #18 and #20 to carry in 30" boxes, two at a time. I set them up to stack in the car and on a trolley so I could wheel them across the Cabin Fever show floor to Mike's track!

       

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