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    • January 13, 2020 10:14 PM EST
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      Sorry if I missed it, what kind of material is that?

    • January 13, 2020 10:49 PM EST
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      It’s all 3D printed, Jim. 

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    • January 16, 2020 10:12 PM EST
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      A little more progress but still over 120 hours of print .... well, um .... work to go just for the framing, whew I'm tired   Main warehouse walls and floor/ceiling framing complete.  Starting on the office.  Excuse the mess in the background!!

       

       

      Thanks for following along.

       

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    • January 16, 2020 11:30 PM EST
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      Be sure to indicate power as part of your $30 limit! Lol! Looks good I need to get started on buying a printer and doing resin casting, and metal foundry and wood shop and all the other things you fancy builder guys use !!

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    • January 17, 2020 12:28 AM EST
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      Pete Lassen said:

      Be sure to indicate power as part of your $30 limit! Lol! Looks good I need to get started on buying a printer and doing resin casting, and metal foundry and wood shop and all the other things you fancy builder guys use !!

      You have a valid point, Pete.  I already had the filament so that doesn't count, but the electricity ...... well, maybe not ..... what about the electricity for all these table saws, band saws, etc  

       

      Anyway, this is really an experiment to see if this is a truly viable way to construct buildings.  I'll post the true costs including electricity and filament plus other materials that I may use just to give everybody an idea of the real costs and time.  As I stated above, I still have over 120 hrs (133 to be exact) of printing to go, so its a huge time commitment.  Now I don't have to tend to the printer while its printing, just load new print jobs when one is finished.  Each wall segment takes about 2-2.5 hours to print.  I think there are about 70 print jobs total.  I haven't decided if I am going to print the clapboard siding or use wood.  Leaning toward printing just so its 100% printed but I'll have to see how the time goes.  The decking and associated framing will be wood for sure.  I'll post the model of the framing shortly.

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    • January 17, 2020 12:59 AM EST
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      Framing model.

       

      Front View

       

      Back view

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    • January 17, 2020 8:43 AM EST
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      Pete Lassen said:

      Be sure to indicate power as part of your $30 limit! Lol! Looks good I need to get started on buying a printer and doing resin casting, and metal foundry and wood shop and all the other things you fancy builder guys use !!

      A couple years back I connected a  Kill-A-Watt usage monitor to my 3d printer.  I found (with the heated bed) I was using .11kWh which for me is about a penny per hour to print.

       

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    • January 17, 2020 8:45 AM EST
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      Wow Dan. 

       

      I had not imagined where you were taking this. All 3d printed complete with internal framing. Too cool. Your printer will need a re build after this 

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    • January 17, 2020 8:54 AM EST
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      Dan Gilchrist said:
      I was using .11kWh which for me is about a penny per hour to print.

       

       

      I hear the Libyans have some plutonium you can borrow

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    • January 17, 2020 9:07 AM EST
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      Dan Hilyer said:
      ...I still have over 120 hrs (133 to be exact) of printing to go, so its a huge time commitment.  Now I don't have to tend to the printer while its printing, just load new print jobs when one is finished. ....

       

         So what you're telling me is that while I'm cutting scale lumber, and re-cutting because I measured wrong, and cutting again to get right angles, not to mention gluing, you have your printer doing your work for you?

       

         You're pretty damn smart if you ask me!

       

         And the build is looking really good. I vote for wood siding, but it would also be cool to have our very first entirely 3-D printed entry into the Challenge...I think you're taking us into the space age.

       

       

       

       

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    • January 17, 2020 9:39 AM EST
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      Dan Gilchrist said:
      Pete Lassen said:

      Be sure to indicate power as part of your $30 limit! Lol! Looks good I need to get started on buying a printer and doing resin casting, and metal foundry and wood shop and all the other things you fancy builder guys use !!

      A couple years back I connected a  Kill-A-Watt usage monitor to my 3d printer.  I found (with the heated bed) I was using .11kWh which for me is about a penny per hour to print.

       

      Thanks for that info, Dan.  That works out to just over a penny per hour for me, too.  So using your number I will have less than $2.00 in the framing for power.  If I choose to print the siding that number may double.

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    • January 17, 2020 9:47 AM EST
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      Devon Sinsley said:

      Wow Dan. 

       

      I had not imagined where you were taking this. All 3d printed complete with internal framing. Too cool. Your printer will need a re build after this 

      Yeah, Devon, I did start out planning to print it, but it rained here all last weekend which put a damper on cutting wood in my shop. I have to move stuff outside to get access to table saw and band saw.  So instead of losing the weekend, I put the printer to work.  I know its not in the true spirit of MIK, but he did build stuff with what he had lying around and I had filament and a printer just lying around   It didn't take but a couple hours to go from solid model to framing model.

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    • January 17, 2020 10:10 AM EST
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      John Passaro said:
      Dan Hilyer said:
      ...I still have over 120 hrs (133 to be exact) of printing to go, so its a huge time commitment.  Now I don't have to tend to the printer while its printing, just load new print jobs when one is finished. ....

       

         So what you're telling me is that while I'm cutting scale lumber, and re-cutting because I measured wrong, and cutting again to get right angles, not to mention gluing, you have your printer doing your work for you?

       

         You're pretty damn smart if you ask me!

       

         And the build is looking really good. I vote for wood siding, but it would also be cool to have our very first entirely 3-D printed entry into the Challenge...I think you're taking us into the space age.

       

       

       

       

      John, you are correct, while you're cutting, re-cutting, gluing (both wood and fingers ) I'm letting the printer do the heavy lifting.  BUT, while you're sleeping, I'm getting up at 1:30 AM, 3:30 AM, etc getting prints started.  I'll never get done just printing during the evening and on weekends and there's this thing called work I have to do during the day and I don't have a printer there ...... hmmm...... we might need to invest in a printer at work 

      This post was edited by Dan Hilyer at January 17, 2020 10:10 AM EST
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    • January 17, 2020 12:32 PM EST
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      John Passaro said:
      So what you're telling me is that while I'm cutting scale lumber, and re-cutting because I measured wrong, and cutting again to get right angles, not to mention gluing, you have your printer doing your work for you?

       Funny thing is, If it was a race to build the same model, I'd want to be the guy using scale lumber. 

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    • January 17, 2020 12:48 PM EST
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      Dan Hilyer said:
      ........I know its not in the true spirit of MIK, but he did build stuff with what he had lying around and I had filament and a printer just lying around  ....

       

        I think it's exactly in the spirit.

       

       

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    • January 17, 2020 1:44 PM EST
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      Dan, you are absolutely correct.  No way you can print it faster than stick build it.  The advantage of printing is the accuracy and flexibility.  I can see, if I look, all my mistakes in the model before I glue something together.  I also don't have the safety concerns of using power tools.  Not that that bothers me, I actually prefer cutting wood to printing and quite comfortable, but highly observant and cautious, around dangerous equipment.  Been around it all my life.

       

      In the end, I'm just not convinced printing is the way to construct these type of buildings but maybe through this process I'll change my own mind.  We'll see.

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    • January 17, 2020 1:47 PM EST
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      John Passaro said:
      Dan Hilyer said:
      ........I know its not in the true spirit of MIK, but he did build stuff with what he had lying around and I had filament and a printer just lying around  ....

       

        I think it's exactly in the spirit.

       

       

      John, although I never knew MIK and what little I've learned about the gentleman from the folks here leads me to believe that MIK would use whatever tools and resources he had at his disposal so you may very well be correct.

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    • January 17, 2020 2:16 PM EST
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      I fought this battle years ago, nobody won then either.

      mik was a folk artist. He could repurpose O scale items in G and have them look plausible and a detergent bottle could be used several ways...

      How printing compares to folk art is not my call. 

       

      Personally my challenge is getting my split face tiles off the backing fiberglass sheet. My poor old arthritic fingers are raw and itchy ...

       

      Funny thing is it always seems to wash in the voting. One year one of our better builders was snubbed, just because we expected his quality, while Joe Thumbs was encouraged for trying...

       

      Rule #1 applies before all other gripes; Have Fun!

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      The older I get, the less I know, please don't make me prove it.

       

       

    • January 17, 2020 2:40 PM EST
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      See I never was involved or knew MIK either. But the question does always remain as to what is in the "spirit" of MIK. And from what I gather it was NOT about using garbage to make a beauty queen, while I am sure that is exactly what happened. What I think the whole thing was #1 have fun. #2 do something together with fellow modelers at a time when many of us are buried in snow. #3 take what you have and make something.

       

      Now did MIK have a 3d printer? I think I am safe in saying no. Did he cast parts in resin, probably not. Did he use what he had, absolutely. My guess is that IF he had a printer he would have used it. Maybe not, I didn't know him so I can't say.

       

      I think its perfectly in the Spirit because you are using what you have and what you know to make something with other people and you are having fun doing it. If that is not what the "Spirit of MIK" is then I am not sure I want to be in the Spirit. I like to modle and make the best stuff I can with what I have at my disposal. I realize I have access to a full wood shop and a pile of lumber. I tend to buy stuff and have a very large junk bin. I was also given a ton of stuff. Yeah I have advantages others don't I am not going to build with toilet paper rolls if I have a rack of PVC pipe.

       

      Thats my .02. Do what makes you happy Dan and I know you love your printer.

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    • January 17, 2020 2:46 PM EST
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      I am having fun and taking this opportunity to experiment along the way.  In the end, I'll have a building to one day put on my imaginary RR 

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