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    • January 7, 2020 8:03 PM EST
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      John Passaro said:
      John Caughey said:

      You know now, if one brick is out of place, we are going to know!

       

       

         Yeah, you and Dave are right. I shoulda thought of that before I posted the drawings. Now I've really nailed myself to a wall !

       

       

      Do you remember why we use Napkins?  If you can't remember history, you're likely to repeat it! Oh my!

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      The older I get, the less I know, please don't make me prove it.

       

       

    • January 8, 2020 12:17 PM EST
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      Hey ...didn't we have some brick work on some type of oven ....

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    • January 8, 2020 3:40 PM EST
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      Do you remember why we use Napkins?  If you can't remember history, you're likely to repeat it! Oh my!

      Yea, its so I don't end up with chicken grease all over my shirtsleeves and pant-legs.

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    • January 8, 2020 6:13 PM EST
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      Sean McGillicuddy said:

      Hey ...didn't we have some brick work on some type of oven ....

      I don't know what you're talking about 

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    • January 10, 2020 1:06 AM EST
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         So here's my nearly-napkin drawing not on a napkin really of the footprint of the structure in the available space, with my calculations of 1:24 scale. It turns out the architects made their drawings in 1:24 scale, which is fortuitous, or a good omen, but I don't have the originals so it doesn't really matter.

       

        

       

         

       

         I move the add-on outbuilding to the other side of the structure so that it will fit better into my available space and from where people will be viewing it. Cut and paste!

         

       

          So here are my calculations and overall footprint:

       

        

       

        

       

         Thanks for taking a look at this and if you spot anything that seems not right, or off somehow, let me know. I don't want to keep imposing on everybody with too many pictures, so that's it until I get some actual building done when we start this weekend.

       

       

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    • January 10, 2020 6:37 PM EST
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      You're not imposing, John, we like pictures .... especially since most of us knuckleheads are severely challenged wit da witen wurd   But more importantly, the more pictures and drawings you give us, the more info we have to show you where you deviated from the engineer's plans and specifications 

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    • January 13, 2020 3:33 AM EST
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         Ever since John Caughey posted those pictures showing brick stanchions, or whatever they're called, clearly meant to support walls and structures, it's been bugging me that the supports on the Pana Tower are so substantial compared to the size of the structure they're supporting. Everything I've heard and read says that railroads aren't exactly known for engineering overkill, especially in something as utilitarian as an interlocking tower. So I spent more time than I want to admit digging around more, and, sure enough, the tower as originally built was significatly higher and weightier. So now it makes sense:

       

       

       

          Having satisfied myself as to this point, I organized my drawings and pictures and started building the lower and middle part of the structure out of 1/4" untempered masonite:

       

       

       

       

         I thought this would be a good time to lay a plank floor on the first floor (I'll stain it later):

       

       

       

       

         The first floor, the second floor with all the windows, and the roof will each be detachable to allow for eventually working on lights and interior detail.

       

         I feel as if I got a lot done today. I don't know about anything else, but this is the most solid model I've ever built!

       

       

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    • January 13, 2020 4:21 AM EST
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      Looking great John!...

       

    • January 13, 2020 9:36 AM EST
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      Oh but wait now you have to make it taller.

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    • January 13, 2020 11:01 AM EST
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      Buttress

      Description

      A buttress is an architectural structure built against or projecting from a wall which serves to support or reinforce the wall. Buttresses are fairly common on more ancient buildings, as a means of providing support to act against the lateral forces arising out of the roof structures that lack adequate bracing. Wikipedia
       
       
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    • January 13, 2020 12:27 PM EST
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      My wife has a big buttress; its supports her weight. . .

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    • January 13, 2020 4:14 PM EST
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      Devon: presumably that means your wife doesn’t read posts on this site :-)

       

      John: you should be able to stand on this thing when you are done! Nice progress...

    • January 13, 2020 4:47 PM EST
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      When you consider that the early mechanisms for throwing switches were cast (or wrought) iron, arm-strong devices, that tower had to support quite a dead load in its day. Maybe that is part of the reason why it looks overbuilt.

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    • January 13, 2020 4:49 PM EST
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      Jim Rowson said:

      Devon: presumably that means your wife doesn’t read posts on this site :-)

       

      Heck she would have thought of it first.

       

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    • January 13, 2020 5:17 PM EST
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      Devon Sinsley said:
      Jim Rowson said:

      Devon: presumably that means your wife doesn’t read posts on this site :-)

       

      Heck she would have thought of it first.

       

         Jim and I had the same first thoughts.

       

         But would that be a flying buttress, an angle, a diagonal, a pier, or, as in my case, a clasping buttress?

       

         And, not to change the subject to modelling, but, by the way, I had to start all over again because my measurements were all off...ARGGGRGGGGG!!

       

       

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    • January 14, 2020 9:10 PM EST
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          I started all over again. But this time, I didn't make the same mistakes, and it went a lot more quickly. I made different mistakes, but not as many and was able to correct them right away!!

       

          HOWEVER, I couldn't bring myself to just trash my original start, so the second set of pictures is the originial buid above, faced with half-inch pink insulation foam, and I'll make a "stone" building out of it. I'll keep it on hand and work on it while glue is drying on the tower.

       

         I already had one of Dave's doors left over, so it fit right into the reclaimed building.

       

        Here's the new start--for one thing I'm making damn sure this one is close to square angles:

       

       

       

       

          Here's how I intend to do the bricks that are stepped back in a batter from the base of the buttress to the base of the second floor; I'll cut pieces progressively smaller with each row...just a test run to see if it'll work...if somebody has a better idea PLEASE let me know because this looks very time-consuming and tedious:

       

       

       

         And here's the reclaimed structure...with Dave's door!:

       

       

       

       

         That's it for now...life will get in the way here for a couple of days at least. Boo hiss.

       

       

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    • January 14, 2020 9:17 PM EST
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      John, if you had some thinner insulation board you could cut that as you propose and just carve the bricks directly into the foam.  Each layer of foam would represent each course of bricks.  A lot of work, sure, but I have faith you can get it done 

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    • January 14, 2020 10:20 PM EST
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      John,

       

      not sure of this helps or not but the foam can be cut, teased, and painted to look like stone. Just cut lines in it then tease out little pieces of foam and then paint.

       

      Or bricks

       

       

       

      This post was edited by Devon Sinsley at January 14, 2020 10:22 PM EST
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      if you were desperate enough, could try LEMAX brick mat

    • January 20, 2020 1:40 AM EST
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      double post

       

      This post was edited by Tim at January 20, 2020 1:41 AM EST
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