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    • February 25, 2020 10:40 PM EST
    • That's what we thought you meant.  John's "pass by" configuration does it as does the picture I added with an edit and you may have missed.  I am just using the built-in spring feature of Aristo #6 manual machines on my wye. They have been out there a long time and are getting weak, so a replacement idea needs to be formulated.

    • February 25, 2020 10:02 PM EST
    • Im trying to follow you Korm. That sounds to me like a flop switch not a spring switch

    • February 25, 2020 9:43 PM EST
    • the answer is simple: use the manual switch levers from LGB. they spring back. the electric switch motors stay in the new position.

    • February 25, 2020 9:41 PM EST
    • Rick,

      That is what both John and jon are showing you but theirs do dual duty. If you look close on John's picture on the left side of the spring is two holes. Think of a balloon track. In one position the train will always enter the balloon the same way (the way the switch is set) and as it exits it pushes the points out of the way and spring pushes them back. That's what they are calling a spring switch and is what is depicted in your video. Its  one way deal. But you move it to the other hole and it becomes a flop switch. Same balloon track, as the train enters it goes the way the switch is set. as it exits it flops the switch to the other position, when the train comes back it will run through the balloon in the opposite direction. and flops it again when it exits. Each pass alternates which way the train goes through the switch.

       

      Another added advantage to the John and Jon method is a harp switch stand can be attached and if the little knub that locks it is removed then the switch stand will operate with it both adding realism and also indicating which way the switch is aligned when in flop mode.

       

      I had started on an experiment that I have since abandon that I want to revisit just to satisfy my curiosity as to if I can accomplish it. When I was going to do the indoor in G I wanted stub switches. Just because they were more prototypical on back woods budget railroads and because they are different. Well you can't do the John and Jon method because there are no points the rail ends themselves move. the train coming back has nothing to push on to re align the switch. I had what was very close to being a working spring stub. By making a more complicated spring mechanism I was close to having the ability to have it as a working spring switch. I hadn't gotten as far as tackling the flop option. I still want to make that work just because.

    • February 25, 2020 9:40 PM EST
    • to do that better than the video, you probably need electronics to flip the switch ahead of the train, and flip it back a few seconds after the last car passes.

      Would probably take at least metal wheels on all cars.

    • February 25, 2020 9:19 PM EST
    • I probably used the wrong terminology.

      What I am looking to do is have a switch that a train can run thru, while the points are set the other way.

      The train wheels push the points over and after the last cars have passed they return to original position.

      Much like this, but something that is probably a little more reliable.

       

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHJBYoovloQ

    • February 25, 2020 9:04 PM EST
    • And if you don't have spring wire, you can use a clipped safety pin...

       

      I only use these in yards where they are manually flopped over. Much easier than the Aristo machines.  For main line use I had planned on dupilcating one I saw in ride-on scale that used threaded rod and with a spring over it connected to a gauge bar on the points and a fined point on a tie.  Found this photo on the web...

       

    • February 25, 2020 8:03 PM EST
    • Depends flop over or pass by?

      As set above it's in the slide by position. The points return here.

      With the left leg in the other hole it becomes the flop over change direction the other way switch...

    • February 25, 2020 7:41 PM EST
    • Try a Google search using  site:largescalecentral.com "spring switch"

       

      edit - WYSIWYG sure doesn't work here!

    • February 25, 2020 7:17 PM EST
    • Anyone have pictures/diagrams/information on building a simple and reliable spring switch?

    • February 25, 2020 2:23 PM EST
    • Sean McGillicuddy said:

      Hopefully you get it up and running long before Devon got his running .. 

      Be nice.

    • February 25, 2020 1:46 PM EST
    • Hopefully you get it up and running long before Devon got his running .. 

    • February 25, 2020 1:10 PM EST
    • fair enough

    • February 25, 2020 1:01 PM EST
    • Devon Sinsley said:

      Vic,

       

      If you answered me I missed it. Are you planning on keeping to your compressed set of standards like those used on your pizzas. Will this be a gigantic version of this

       

       

      or now that you have the room are you going to somewhat un-compress your standards? I know the track plan is less tight but are you going to model scenery in pizza fashion or more prototypical. I could see you going both ways.

      There will be some compression, there's no way around that, but I'm playing it by ear right now. More concerned with getting the track down and wired. Once thats done I can begin thinking about scenery.

       

    • February 25, 2020 12:15 PM EST
    • John Caughey said:
      Devon Sinsley said:

      Smart on the conduit. I made no provisions to run water or electricity. I am kicking myself now. The electricity is no big deal  since the solar experiment is working out but I sure wish I had buried water lines for hte drip system as I was back filling. No trying to run it will be a much bigger challenge. At least in the dirt sections.

      The 1/4" lines only need to be buried 4" or so, do it with a trowel. Lay them out in  the sun so it's flexible and limp, before the burial. Be sure to make square cuts. Use a T for risers.... anything else you already know?

      John I have to do some major re graveling again this year. As was expected with that much piled dirt it is settling. Fortunately I built on a ladder so the track is staying but but its becoming an ariel tram instead of a RR. So I plan to dig in the water line before doing the gravel work and then when I add the new gravel it will be nice and buried and clean. Just would have been way easier had I thought that through first and did it at back fill.

       

    • February 25, 2020 12:11 PM EST
    • Vic,

       

      If you answered me I missed it. Are you planning on keeping to your compressed set of standards like those used on your pizzas. Will this be a gigantic version of this

       

       

      or now that you have the room are you going to somewhat un-compress your standards? I know the track plan is less tight but are you going to model scenery in pizza fashion or more prototypical. I could see you going both ways.

    • February 18, 2020 8:07 PM EST
    • Devon Sinsley said:

      Smart on the conduit. I made no provisions to run water or electricity. I am kicking myself now. The electricity is no big deal  since the solar experiment is working out but I sure wish I had buried water lines for hte drip system as I was back filling. No trying to run it will be a much bigger challenge. At least in the dirt sections.

      The 1/4" lines only need to be buried 4" or so, do it with a trowel. Lay them out in  the sun so it's flexible and limp, before the burial. Be sure to make square cuts. Use a T for risers.... anything else you already know?

    • February 18, 2020 5:11 PM EST
    • I'm looking forward to seeing this come together.

    • February 18, 2020 4:01 PM EST
    • tried to get youtube video to show, it shows if you are using http://

       

      https:// version: