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    • October 15, 2020 6:01 PM EDT
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      RailPro question

      Since I have pretty much decided to go with RailPro, I need to ask two questions, 1., when I purchase my RailPro LM-3S-G module with sound will I have to go online with Ring to record my diesel sounds and if I do do I need the Cl-1 Computer interface module to do this, or will the RailPro controller do all I need to do as far as recording sounds and other downloads. Also if later on I want to use this module in another engine with different sounds can I download the new sounds on this module and takeoff the old sounds. Who are most of you using for your RailPro products and who has someone that you can actually talk to on the phone if need be. I've watched a lot of YouTube video's and sometimes I just don't get all the answers to my concerns. 

      trainman.

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    • October 15, 2020 6:53 PM EDT
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      Maybe Don Sweet is someone you would like to talk to.

      https://rcsofne.com/

    • October 15, 2020 8:25 PM EDT
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      John, Definitely talk to Don. He helped me with it in detail. And yes you can change the sounds without the CI-1 you’ll just have to plug your handheld directly into your computer with the charging/usb cable. 

      Jason

    • October 16, 2020 4:52 AM EDT
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      Don Sweet is my go-to guy. He can answer any questions you have about RailPro and set it up for any sounds you want. 

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    • October 16, 2020 8:20 AM EDT
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      Jim Agnew did my installation for the "Evil Twins" Box Cabs.  The units were bought from RLD Hobbies.  Very pleased with the installation.  Good value with the sound being part of the purchase.  Transmitter is considerably heavier than a Revolution, but is using the latest technology with rechargeable permanently mounted heavier batteries.  My first unit in 1998 was Locolinc, then 27 MHZ Aristo Train Engineer, RCS of Australia, the 75 MHZ of Aristo, Cordless Renovations newer RCS System and both Sierra and Phoenix Sound Systems.  During the same time I've gone from bag phones, to flip phones, to Smart phone and the elimination of a land line.   Electronics seem to advance and I eventually threw away my Beta and VHS tapes, plus 8 track and cassettes.  Life changes and we get older.  Its a fun ride.  

    • October 16, 2020 2:34 PM EDT
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      Sorry, double play on my posts.....

      This post was edited by Michael Kirrene at October 16, 2020 2:46 PM EDT
    • October 16, 2020 2:35 PM EDT
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      Michael Kirrene said:

      John Lenheiser said:

      Since I have pretty much decided to go with RailPro, I need to ask two questions, 1., when I purchase my RailPro LM-3S-G module with sound will I have to go online with Ring to record my diesel sounds and if I do do I need the Cl-1 Computer interface module to do this, or will the RailPro controller do all I need to do as far as recording sounds and other downloads. Also if later on I want to use this module in another engine with different sounds can I download the new sounds on this module and takeoff the old sounds. Who are most of you using for your RailPro products and who has someone that you can actually talk to on the phone if need be. I've watched a lot of YouTube video's and sometimes I just don't get all the answers to my concerns. 

      trainman.

       

       

      John, Don's the expert with Railpro, and I'm sure he'll chime in here soon. After exchanging e-mails with him yesterday, I know he's real busy with installs. To get going with RailPro battery operation, all you really need is the RailPro HC-1 controller and an LM-3S- G module mounted in the locomotive. I bought the HC-2-SUN version with a brighter display. The C1-1 computer interface is not essential, but this piece will enable you to download set up software programs/files from the Ring Engineering website much faster. Download the "HC Simulator" software and with the C1-1 (only 34 bucks at RLD) you can set up and control from a PC/laptop screen the same as you can with an HC controller. Then all you need to do is download the "RailPro Assistant" software and you can easily select pictures, sounds, light effects, etc for the controller from the Ring website. Very intuitive interface, and to me it's the best out there right now. You save a lot of money as the modules are self-contained with radio controller, sound, lights, and other effects. I don't plan on removing any of my locomotive modules once they're installed - they are dedicated to each engine. Sound samples are on the Ring Engineering website.

      I'm a member of this group and find it very useful:

       

      https://rpug.pdc.ca/

       

      This post was edited by Michael Kirrene at October 16, 2020 8:43 PM EDT
    • October 17, 2020 11:00 AM EDT
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      Can those of you with a RailPro system offer their experience with outdoor radio range? Please share loco info i.e., plastic shell/body and or metal. Specifically interested battery powered loco's, but track power info is appreciated as well.

       

      Michael

    • October 17, 2020 11:24 AM EDT
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      Just wanted to let everyone know that I talked with Don Sweet of RCS of New England and he got me setup for my first RailPro install. I don't believe I have ever talked with someone that was so helpful and has walked me thru an install on a product like he did, plus so many other tips on the RailPro system. I do feel that the choice I made with RailPro was probably the best system offered today for both easy of use and reliability. For those of you who may be looking for a control system watch the RailPro YouTube video's and give Don a call, I think you will be pleased with what you learn from him. Don Sweet, RCS of New England,   donsweet@rcsofne.com

       

      trainman

    • October 17, 2020 12:13 PM EDT
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      Michael Glavin said:

      Can those of you with a RailPro system offer their experience with outdoor radio range? Please share loco info i.e., plastic shell/body and or metal. Specifically interested battery powered loco's, but track power info is appreciated as well.

       

      Michael

       

      Its about 60-70 feet with my Bachmann C-19 all mounted in the tender (Plastic) And only about 50 feet with the metal Accucraft brass tenders. You need to replace the metal coal load case with a foam or plastic one to get the 50 foot range. Mine are all battery powered.

       

      Jason

       

    • October 17, 2020 1:19 PM EDT
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      Jason V. said:
      Michael Glavin said:

      Can those of you with a RailPro system offer their experience with outdoor radio range? Please share loco info i.e., plastic shell/body and or metal. Specifically interested battery powered loco's, but track power info is appreciated as well.

       

      Michael

       

      Its about 60-70 feet with my Bachmann C-19 all mounted in the tender (Plastic) And only about 50 feet with the metal Accucraft brass tenders. You need to replace the metal coal load case with a foam or plastic one to get the 50 foot range. Mine are all battery powered.

       

      Jason

       I would think that 50-60 feet would be a good, I can't see running a battery powered engine and not being within a get to it distance if something goes wrong. 

      trainman

       

    • October 17, 2020 3:43 PM EDT
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      John Lenheiser said:

      Just wanted to let everyone know that I talked with Don Sweet of RCS of New England and he got me setup for my first RailPro install. I don't believe I have ever talked with someone that was so helpful and has walked me thru an install on a product like he did, plus so many other tips on the RailPro system. I do feel that the choice I made with RailPro was probably the best system offered today for both easy of use and reliability. For those of you who may be looking for a control system watch the RailPro YouTube video's and give Don a call, I think you will be pleased with what you learn from him. Don Sweet, RCS of New England,   donsweet@rcsofne.com

       

      trainman

      Had the same Experience 4 years ago.  Don is certainly an authority when it comes to battery and wireless conversions and Railpro is the cat's meow!

      -Dan

      This post was edited by Dan Gilchrist at October 18, 2020 9:02 PM EDT
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    • October 17, 2020 4:27 PM EDT
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      Dan Gilchrist said:
      John Lenheiser said:

      Just wanted to let everyone know that I talked with Don Sweet of RCS of New England and he got me setup for my first RailPro install. I don't believe I have ever talked with someone that was so helpful and has walked me thru an install on a product like he did, plus so many other tips on the RailPro system. I do feel that the choice I made with RailPro was probably the best system offered today for both easy of use and reliability. For those of you who may be looking for a control system watch the RailPro YouTube video's and give Don a call, I think you will be pleased with what you learn from him. Don Sweet, RCS of New England,   donsweet@rcsofne.com

      trainman

      Had the same Experience 4 years ago.  Don is certainly and authority when it comes to battery and wireless conversions and Railpro is the cat's meow!

      -Dan

      I haven't bought a thing from Don, but he's ALWAYS been helpful - just a real stand up guy!  

       

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    • October 18, 2020 1:53 PM EDT
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      Michael Glavin said:

      Can those of you with a RailPro system offer their experience with outdoor radio range? Please share loco info i.e., plastic shell/body and or metal. Specifically interested battery powered loco's, but track power info is appreciated as well.

       

       

      Michael, per Ring Engineering:

      The radio works in the 2.4GHz frequency band (same as Revo). You can control locomotives on big layouts with outstanding control using Direct Radio. The Direct Radio signal can reach over 100ft in an open environment (same as Airwire).  

       

      Yesterday, I experimented with distance and operated a RailPro equipped USAT GP9 in my back yard while standing with the controller in my front yard. No problem at all with signal loss.

       

      https://www.ringengineering.com/RailProFrequentlyAskedQuestions.htm

       

       

       

    • October 19, 2020 10:06 PM EDT
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      John Lenheiser said:
      Jason V. said:
      Michael Glavin said:

      Can those of you with a RailPro system offer their experience with outdoor radio range? Please share loco info i.e., plastic shell/body and or metal. Specifically interested battery powered loco's, but track power info is appreciated as well.

       Michael

       Its about 60-70 feet with my Bachmann C-19 all mounted in the tender (Plastic) And only about 50 feet with the metal Accucraft brass tenders. You need to replace the metal coal load case   with a foam or plastic one to get the 50 foot range. Mine are all battery powered.

       Jason

                 I would think that 50-60 feet would be a good, I can't see running a battery powered engine and not being within a get to it distance if something goes wrong. 

       trainman

       

      Trainman,

       

      I here you, I don't move near as fast as I used too.

       

      I was curious about runaways, so I contacted Ring Engineering. I was told the current program maintains the last validated command until such time the radio link is re-established. That said they suggested in the future they intend to offer a failsafe option, "all stop" and or maintain last command. This is similar to RC Aircraft, in said application the failsafe is programmable allowing the user to instruct each channel to a pre-determined value. Since our trains present throttle/speed as the single concern "all stop" is no brainer IMHO. I'd like to see this feature integrated with a pre-set time interval, i.e., if the signal is lost for more than 10-20-30-40 seconds the implemented failsafe takes hold.

       

      Michael

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    • October 20, 2020 12:08 AM EDT
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      Michael Kirrene said:
      Michael Glavin said:

      Can those of you with a RailPro system offer their experience with outdoor radio range? Please share loco info i.e., plastic shell/body and or metal. Specifically interested battery powered loco's, but track power info is appreciated as well.

       

       

      Michael, per Ring Engineering:

      The radio works in the 2.4GHz frequency band (same as Revo). You can control locomotives on big layouts with outstanding control using Direct Radio. The Direct Radio signal can reach over 100ft in an open environment (same as Airwire).  

       

      Yesterday, I experimented with distance and operated a RailPro equipped USAT GP9 in my back yard while standing with the controller in my front yard. No problem at all with signal loss.

       

      https://www.ringengineering.com/RailProFrequentlyAskedQuestions.htm

       

       

       

      Michael,

       

      Thanks for your input. Can I assume part of your home/garage was between you and the GP9?, or your engine was not within your line of sight. Can you estimate the range in feet?

       

      As I alluded to in my previous post I contacted Ring Engineering. I inquired about range and a few other things. Rings response below in quotes.

       

      "Our handheld controller and a loco with G controller outside has a typically range of 60 to 70 feet. RailPro supports networking and repeaters. You can add up to for repeaters to the systems. Repeaters can extend the RF range. One repeater placed half way between the handheld controller and loco could extend the range to 120 to 140 feet. The handheld controller can transmit to the repeater and the repeater transmits to the loco. All you do is select what products to use as a repeater. The RailPro system will try to do a direct radio connection to the loco and if that is not working it will automatically try any repeaters. Our PWR-56 can be used as a repeater."

       

      Having spent several decades in R/C model industry I'm pretty well versed in 2.4GHz systems. The most common type is known as Direct Sequence Spread Spectrum (DSSS). This means the transmitter and receiver operate within a designated part of the 2.4GHz spectrum. In laymen's terms, the TX uses a wide cross section of the 2.4GHz band to communicate with the RX, verses the typical FM/PCM equipment. What this means is the TX spreads it's signal over a wider swath of said frequency band as compared to FM/PCM systems utilizing a narrow band of frequencies'. End result is a radio link that is nearly impervious to interference, with headroom to absorb and work threw interference and equipment operating on the same frequency. All that said range seems a bit anemic with respect to 2.4GHz RC models. In my circumstance it looks like I'll have to employ repeaters to realize the range I'm seeking with the RailPro system but I am confident I won't have issues with interference and metal shells. 

       

      FWIW: I have "train" RC systems from all the major players in said industry. Loco Linc, Train Engineer, Revolution, AirWire, QSI, S-Cab, pre 2.4Ghz RCS and a few other odd balls as I recall. They all work, some better than others and range is nothing to brag about. The newer stuff is definitely more impervious to interference. I anticipate giving a RC Model airplane 2.4Gz system a ride sooner than later, I suspect range is considerably better therein, as it should be... Thing is I like RC Plane TX's for flying and find them a bit obnoxious for trains so haven't gone there. So I'll have to try Tony of RCS Australia's new 2.4GHz DSM2 TX handpieces...

       

      Michael

      This post was edited by Michael Glavin at October 25, 2020 11:53 AM EDT
    • October 20, 2020 1:23 PM EDT
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      Michael, the repeater is for a radio signal and is built into the PWR-56 power supply. The PWR-56 is fine for HO scale but at 3 Amps may not be enough for more than one G-scale locomotive. Not sure why the higher wattage repeater was deleted in favor of this one and not sure if Ring plans to release a more robust supply/repeater (like the PWR-75 model).

       

      I live in a townhouse, and standing in the front driveway, through two walls (approximately 60-70 ft. (?), I can control a GP9 in my backyard.

      I read on the link that I provided previously that the Railpro can communicate "More than 100 ft." One guy here can control a loco 100 ft. away in his basement.

      https://rpug.pdc.ca/index.php/topic,974.0.html

       

      Why I was attracted to and converted from Airwire to Railpro:

       

      1. Cost-effective - Railpro module has radio, "ULT" sound, and lights integrated into one small unit as opposed to a separate decoder and sound board.

      2. Intuitive user-friendly controller with up to date graphic display/touchscreen technology. Easy to navigate menus between functions and 16 different sound/light files.

      3. Like Airwire, the Railpro controller utilizes a knob for the throttle.

      4. Railpro transmit distance is approximately 100ft. (comparable to Airwire in distance).

      5. Railpro's two-way radio transmits to the module and receives signals back on the 2.4 Ghz band as opposed to Airwire's 900-915 MHz frequency.

      6. Quick and effective way to consist (MU) locomotives from the controller, allowing each locomotive to pull with equal pulling power.

      This post was edited by Michael Kirrene at October 24, 2020 4:36 PM EDT
    • October 20, 2020 6:19 PM EDT
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      Michael

       

      For battery powered equipment, such as mine, matters not how much power is provided by the power supply/repeater, but your point is well taken. I'm in the planning stages for a larger layout, I'll put RailPro to work and evaluate how it works for my wants, I like the features too. I have several acres to play with my trains, accordingly I'm interested in a system that will get the job done. And I'm not going to follow the trains around either, I've damaged both of my knees and get around much slower than I used too! Nice thing about battery powered equipment and dead rail is it matters not I can run any of my RC engines with nary a concern. I also have an NCE wireless DCC system, I'm thinking at the least I'll have a large loop powered-up for same. 

       

      As you noted; RailPro is full duplex (this allows equipment to identify itself at the least) verses Airwire and others operating on narrow band frequencies with only the ability to receive RF signals.

       

      Michael

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      Michael, I just edited my post above to include the ability to quickly and efficiently consist locomotives with the RailPro, another advantage of the RailPro's capabilities. Looking forward to your evaluation of RailPro as you add it to your repertoire of other RC systems for comparison. Thanks for taking the time to document all of your valuable information here. By the way, Michael, I finally took your advice and bought one of these to charge my Li-ion battery packs:

       

      https://www.rldhobbies.com/deluxelithiumioncharger.aspx

       

      This post was edited by Michael Kirrene at October 24, 2020 10:53 PM EDT
    • October 25, 2020 10:59 AM EDT
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      Michael, 

       

      Railpro has some great features, consisting is one of many. Looking forward to exploring Railpro. Thanks for the kind words. That charger appears to be a great choice, its IC is well proven and/or documented and used by many OEM's. It should serve you well.

       

      Michael

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