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    • March 23, 2020 2:03 PM EDT
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      Jim Rowson said:

      Have you thought about putting images behind the doors/windows to add more detail?

       

      Thanks for all the nice compliments guys, means a lot!

       

      Jim, you got it, the acrylic boxes behind the window rows will be lit, and have depth for curtains and silhouettes of people, maybe a little more. 

    • March 23, 2020 2:50 PM EDT
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      Wow, I don't feel let down at all!

      I'm thinking I'll need to rename my layout as; Kiddie Land!

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      The older I get, the less I know, please don't make me prove it.

       

       

    • March 23, 2020 4:41 PM EDT
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      John Caughey said:

      Wow, I don't feel let down at all!

      I'm thinking I'll need to rename my layout as; Kiddie Land!

       

      Glad you're ok with it John! And before you ask, no, it's not done yet... 

       

      And in case no one else has said it recently, your layout is a gorgeous masterpiece; and if it could ever be described as a "kiddie land," it's surely one for all ages!! There's nothing "kiddie" about your model making though, and I'm looking forward to seeing your completed cutaway mine. Maybe in person, cause I still hope to get out there some day...  

       

       

      This post was edited by Cliff Jennings at March 23, 2020 6:29 PM EDT
    • March 23, 2020 6:59 PM EDT

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      John Caughey said:

      Wow, I don't feel let down at all!

      I'm thinking I'll need to rename my layout as; Kiddie Land!

      Don't worry about it John. Before you know it them flats will be rundown by outlaws, hookers, booze and bullet holes! If not I can always take a drive down there this summer and fix them up for him. Besides they are already screaming a 4 or 5 color paint scheme on them. Let the man hang his curtains though!

    • March 24, 2020 5:05 PM EDT
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      Rooster ' said:
      John Caughey said:

      Wow, I don't feel let down at all!

      I'm thinking I'll need to rename my layout as; Kiddie Land!

      Don't worry about it John. Before you know it them flats will be rundown by outlaws, hookers, booze and bullet holes! If not I can always take a drive down there this summer and fix them up for him. Besides they are already screaming a 4 or 5 color paint scheme on them. Let the man hang his curtains though!

       

      Ha ha! Yeah, that and a 1:1 garden hoe, or a deer hoof... These balconies are fragile, unlike John's building materials (rocks and metal and timbers and adobe) which will outlast us all.  

       

       

    • March 24, 2020 8:46 PM EDT

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      Cliff Jennings said:
      Rooster ' said:
      John Caughey said:

      Wow, I don't feel let down at all!

      I'm thinking I'll need to rename my layout as; Kiddie Land!

      Don't worry about it John. Before you know it them flats will be rundown by outlaws, hookers, booze and bullet holes! If not I can always take a drive down there this summer and fix them up for him. Besides they are already screaming a 4 or 5 color paint scheme on them. Let the man hang his curtains though!

       

      Ha ha! Yeah, that and a 1:1 garden hoe, or a deer hoof... These balconies are fragile, unlike John's building materials (rocks and metal and timbers and adobe) which will outlast us all.  

       

       

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    • March 25, 2020 5:17 PM EDT
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      Rooster ' said:
      Cliff Jennings said:
      Rooster ' said:
      John Caughey said:

      Wow, I don't feel let down at all!

      I'm thinking I'll need to rename my layout as; Kiddie Land!

      Don't worry about it John. Before you know it them flats will be rundown by outlaws, hookers, booze and bullet holes! If not I can always take a drive down there this summer and fix them up for him. Besides they are already screaming a 4 or 5 color paint scheme on them. Let the man hang his curtains though!

       

      Ha ha! Yeah, that and a 1:1 garden hoe, or a deer hoof... These balconies are fragile, unlike John's building materials (rocks and metal and timbers and adobe) which will outlast us all.  

       

       

      pussy

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    • March 25, 2020 5:34 PM EDT
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      I cut the light box parts today...

       

       

      The main box, with its clear front, will be cemented together. The white back will be taped in place (I abandoned the tabs & wire ties; it worked well, but the more I thought about it, the idea of waterproofing took over). A few vent / condensate drain holes are in the bottom side. The clear front has mounting holes for #100 SS pan heads to screw the box to the foam (which will get their heads covered with RTV). 

       

      12v "warm" LED tape will go along the top, and the white plex should help give a general illumination behind any curtains or whatever...   

       

      About the tape though. And this is only for the back panel, because all the other sides will be (at least theoretically enough) bonded / sealed. I was going to use aluminum duct tape, but after trying it, it not only sticks super well, it's too fragile to take back off.

       

      Any thoughts on a nicely-sealing, weather-resistant, UV-OK, narrow (~3/4") tape that can be peeled back off, without leaving goo everywhere? There's issues with others I've  used or read about, so feel free to opine.  

       

      ===:>Cliffy

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      Get a job as you are making us all look like slackers !

    • March 25, 2020 7:40 PM EDT
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      hmmm... wearing belt and braces, i would check the white panels, if they are somewhat transparent to light.

      if they are, you might get some nice halos behind your flats. (suited for churches...)

      (my remedy for that is either thick black paint, or glued on alu foil.)

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    • March 26, 2020 5:30 PM EDT
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      Thanks Korm, yeah, you're probably right. Maybe hitting the exterior with black Fusion (for plastics) spray would last. Or tape, as you say, but the aluminum stuff was so hard to get off after a little test. Still looking at options there.

       

       

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      Cliff Jennings said:

      Thanks Korm, yeah, you're probably right. Maybe hitting the exterior with black Fusion (for plastics) spray would last. Or tape, as you say, but the aluminum stuff was so hard to get off after a little test. Still looking at options there.

       

       

      Just use the blue tape cut neatly like a panel then paint over it. The paint will seal it and UV protect it. If you wanna remove it take an xacto around the edges. 

      Make sense ?

       

      ssɐqɯnp

       

    • March 26, 2020 8:17 PM EDT
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      True, that would work once or twice, and maybe that's all I'll need before I say to heck with it. Was wanting to make it easy to get apart and put back together, and still look decent. I wouldn't want to reapply blue tape and then spray paint several times, that would get messy. 

       

      But, thanks for your thoughts Rooster, keep 'em coming Buddy! 

       

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      Cliff Jennings said:

      True, that would work once or twice, and maybe that's all I'll need before I say to heck with it. Was wanting to make it easy to get apart and put back together, and still look decent. I wouldn't want to reapply blue tape and then spray paint several times, that would get messy. 

       

      But, thanks for your thoughts Rooster, keep 'em coming Buddy! 

       

      uoɹoɯ  

      Ok,

       Then make a pinned panel with the scraps using 1/32 pins on all 4 corners and paint it...wanna remove it use a flatblade.

       

      pəəʍʞɔıp

       

       

      It's all Good
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      Only trying to help with ideas and foam, froth !

    • March 27, 2020 1:41 AM EDT
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      you could use just duct tape - without getting messy.

       

       

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    • March 27, 2020 4:18 PM EDT
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      Thanks Korm. Thanks Rooster. I think an answer is beginning to take shape. 

       

      I like the thought of easy-peel-off electrical tape. Its adhesive isn't as gummy as duct tape, and the pro grades say they seal well. It doesn't tear easily, while removing it. And I like the option of spraying the box black, if needed. So I got some pro quality electrical tape, and will use that on the seams. Then, if the halo effect is noticeable, I'll shoot the box with black Fusion. That way, when I peel the tape back off and replace it, there'll be clean plex substrate to adhere to. 

       

      Will try it out over the weekend...

       

      About paint. I came to the sad realization that you can't get those little sample paint colors (from Sherwin Williams, Behr, Ben Moore...) in specifically exterior grade. They're only to test color, not to be the final thing (at least outdoors).  So I'm ordering quarts (smallest I can find!) in certain colors from Home Depot, and they'll deliver for free (for over $45).

       

      The good news is that I received great info on Virginia City building paint colors from some historically-savvy friends out west (Mike Collins, Dan Ball, Andrew Brandon). They pointed me to an official document ("Comstock Historic District Construction Standards") that says what colors you can use in Virginia City today: basically anything in the "Historical Color Collection" by Benjamin Moore or the "Heritage Colors" by Sherwin Williams is fine. The web sites of those companies have palettes, and it was easy enough to pick out similar colors in Behr Premium Plus exterior latex, on Home Depot's site.

       

      And now, a sideline for we who are historically anal about such things. Theoretically, one could try to go further into historical accuracy on this, and which actual color / formulation was used. But then you'd run into which era and which substrate of a particular building; then, archaeologically uncover actual fragments of paint, and have it analyzed and color-corrected for degradation from age or other effects. That's what is being painstakingly done for, say, the V&T's first Mound House depot which is currently under restoration (in Dayton). But for hobby purposes, and for Virginia City in general, it's a level of information which is impossible to acquire. And fortunately, I really don't care. 

       

      Bottom line, I'm really relieved that the buildings don't need to be all whitewashed!! And I'm looking forward to painting them with a good breadth of historically permissible color. I suck at painting, but I'm glad to finally have a plan.

       

      ===:>Cliffy

       

      PS, a friend (Andrew Brandon) gave me this excellent link on historical paint and color choices, per time frame:

       

      http://www.pacificng.com/template.php?page=/ref/color/index.php&pg=refbooks

       

       

          

       

       

       

       

      This post was edited by Cliff Jennings at March 28, 2020 1:01 PM EDT
    • March 28, 2020 11:43 AM EDT
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      Wishful thinking regarding matching paints. The formulas were standard, but relied on local pigments which weren't standardized.

      John Vail considered making his mine into a pigment mine before striking silver. There's a lot of; red mineral brown dirt on my railroad....

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      The older I get, the less I know, please don't make me prove it.

       

       

    • March 28, 2020 11:52 AM EDT
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      I totally agree, John. That's why I said I didn't care. 

      I can say though that the color is on the chart. Which chart, manufacturer and era, I'm not sayin.  

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