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    • February 12, 2020 6:36 PM EST
      • Vail, Az
         
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      I noticed your beggar's reefer is missing a hatch, will your blocks pass through? Some Ice houses served crushed ice ... and little umbrellas

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      The older I get, the less I know, please don't make me prove it.

       

       

    • February 12, 2020 8:13 PM EST
      • Post Falls, Idaho
         
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      I have no idea john if the ice will actually fit. I had a ready built mold in that my wife loves those wax melter heater things that stink up your house. So I used an empty one of those to make the ice blocks. 

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    • February 12, 2020 8:14 PM EST
      • Post Falls, Idaho
         
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      Pepper's serve ice blended with tequila and margarita mix in salted glasses 

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    • February 12, 2020 8:40 PM EST
      • Waverly, Alabama
         
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      Devon Sinsley said:

      Pepper's serve ice blended with tequila and margarita mix in salted glasses 

      I'll take a reefer full 

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    • February 12, 2020 9:02 PM EST
      • Mount Vernon, Missouri
         
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      Devon, 

      I am trying to catch up on others build, your ice house has been a very interesting and unique build. I love to see a railroad having a purpose for the train passing by. 

      Most people have no idea of how much ice was used in the RR cars. Mostly used in hauling beef. I like your metal siding, is this a product you have made, and

      what is it made from?

      Great job

      Dennis

    • February 13, 2020 9:25 AM EST
      • Post Falls, Idaho
         
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      Dennis,

       

      That's the good old standby aluminum pop can run through the Fiskers crimper. After it is glued on I shot the whole thing with chrome aluminum color paint (Rustoleum I believe) then dusted with flat black and then oil paints (raw umber and burnt umber) dabbed on and then some heavier stuff was applied and drug down to give it more of a streaked look.

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    • February 13, 2020 9:47 AM EST
      • Post Falls, Idaho
         
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      Why an ice house? A couple of you have mentioned the uniqueness of the idea. My RR is small, very small; but I still want to do operations. So every thing has to have a purpose. As Dennis mentioned we have these cars on our pike but they need some place to go and serve a purpose. So if I am going to run reefers then the reefers need to go somewhere, then go somewhere else. So for my reefers I will have this ice house and there will also be a slaughter house (thats actually going where the ice house is now). And if space allows there will be a cold storage facility as well. That way my reefers have places to go and people to see. When it comes to operations I will have to go get ice and then run to the slaughter house and pick up meat, then run to cold storage in town.

       

      The ice house had been on my list since the inception of this RR, way back in the very first iterations of track design. I once had to google ice in RR use. I didn't quite understand reefer cars. That led to learning that they dropped the ice down roof hatches so they didn't have to open the big doors and let all the cold out. Cold air sinks so by dropping it through the roof they don't lose any cold air. If you have not seen how reefers work they have slats on the ends to section off an area for the ice. All the stuff needing to be kept cold is loaded between these ends (packed in such a way that it was secure but allowed air movement around it). Then ice is dropped down the roof hatches and is layered in straw for insulation.

       

      One of the features you will see sitting next to the ice house when that whole area gets developed is a hay shed for holding bailed straw.

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    • February 14, 2020 10:08 PM EST
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      Devon.....   No Straw in the reefers them self.... They are insulated on all sides of the cars...   Ice was loaded in a couple of layers, and then several scoops of rock salt, another couple of layers of ice, more salt and such until full.   This "salting" was he death of the roofs, and the flashings around the ice hatches. Salt and water on sheet metal.... not a good combination.  To facilitate the re-sheeting of the rusted out ice bunkers,  all the cribbing for the bunker was bolted together so as to allow easy removal of the wood to allow the metal replacement.

       

      There are 4x4 beams running front to rear, with about 4" spacings between them to hold the ice up off the floor pan, and allow the cold air to circulate.

       

      Reefers have a metal bunker ( top, sides, back wall, and a bottom drip pan) to handle the moisture.  There are drains in the corners to let the melt out and down to the track.   The trucks ALL have inside brake shoes, so the dripping water wouldn't freeze up the brake shoes.

       

      ALSO:  During the winter, transcontinental shipments of fruit and vegetables that could not stand to be frozen, were shipped in reefers, and inside the ice bunkers were placed oil fired "Heaters" to prevent freezing that would be issues in regular boxcars.  When heaters were in use a placard was stapled to the doors warning to open all doors and vent the Carbon Monoxide before entering to unload.   On the ends of the "Heated" reefers also a placard was tacked alerting the "ICE MEN"  Not to ice, but to refill the heaters.  Dynamite and Nitro Glycerin were also shipped in heated reefers likewise to prevent freezing.  Go Figure,  explosives inside a rail car with an open flame heater burning...

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    • February 15, 2020 7:59 AM EST
      • Post Falls, Idaho
         
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      Thanks Dave that added a bunch to my knowledge of the reefer and how it worked. I had never given much thought to melt and what to do with it. And also the fact that a reefer is an insulated car so using it to keep stuff warm as well is brilliant  and hadn't thought of that or read that. 

       

      So thanks for the added detail.  That's what I love about this group. I learn as much as I do modeling. It makes the modeling so much better when you also understand the process. 

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    • February 15, 2020 9:09 AM EST
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      Thanks Dave, very educational, Bill

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