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    • November 1, 2019 5:33 PM EDT
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      the triple header narrow guage

      Hey . . . 

       

      who has pictures of videos of the triple header ?    I've been expecting to see some.

    • November 1, 2019 6:45 PM EDT
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      the 315 was to be in it . . . Whur is Dave Tayler ?

    • November 1, 2019 7:53 PM EDT
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      Google..

      Well you didn't say which one ...

      This post was edited by John Caughey at November 1, 2019 7:55 PM EDT
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    • November 3, 2019 12:48 PM EST
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      There was a tripple header a week ago that was the last run of the year for the 315.   Some one must have photographed it ?  

    • November 3, 2019 5:55 PM EST
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      Narrow Gauge Lover said:

      There was a triple header a week ago that was the last run of the year for the 315.   Some one must have photographed it ?  

      I just did a search on the Cumbres&Toltec site. If you look on the site that shows the Camera Archives, the triple header occurred on Saturday October 19th I believe. There are a couple of stills shown.

      This post was edited by Gary Armitstead at November 3, 2019 8:29 PM EST
    • November 3, 2019 8:38 PM EST
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      Does anybody know how multiple steam engines are controlled ?

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    • November 3, 2019 10:43 PM EST
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      Here you go.  They only tripled to Cumbres, then 488 took it solo from there.

      This post was edited by Chris Kieffer at November 5, 2019 10:54 PM EST
    • November 3, 2019 11:14 PM EST
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      Joe Zullo said:

      Does anybody know how multiple steam engines are controlled ?

      Yes......it's actually a beautifully choreographed "dance" between three very experienced engineers and three experienced firemen. ALL three locomotives are operated independently of each other. In the case of THIS triple header, there were two engines that are Mikados and the 315 is a small Consolidation. The really difficult addition to this scenario is that they are coal fired locomotives. All three engines have to be pulling EQUALLY to make this work. You can't have any driver slip on any engine or the burden on the other engines can change in a second! The two NG Mikados I believe were K36's and the 315 is a C18. K36 has about 36,000 pounds of tractive effort and the C18 has about 18,000 pounds. The K36 weighs just under 86 tons and the C18 weighs about 33 tons. 

      This post was edited by Gary Armitstead at November 4, 2019 10:56 AM EST
    • November 4, 2019 12:07 AM EST
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      OK Guys......   The Triple Header on the 19th, was sorta a Grand finally for the C&TSRR end of year running, and a preview for the grand plans for the 50 year celebration in 2020.  I sadly wasn't there for prep or running that day. I was in SoCal for my 50 year HS class reunion....

       

      A couple of things about Double and Triple Heading..... Multi engine runs are ONLY run up hill..... NEVER Downhill.  The smallest ( pulling power) engine is in front of the bigger engine(s). Helper engines are always cut off the string, before the down hill portion.  When a helper was added to the rear of a train, in steam days and a while after,  they were cut in front of the caboose,  something about the wooden frame tooth picking under the excessive strain.  In some cases they would cut them in the middle.

       

      ALL control of the train, lies with the lead engine. The brakes of the whole train are controlled by the lead engine, and the second and third engine has only control of their own engines brakes, not the whole train.  On an uphill grind where a double or triple header is needed brake use is rather limited.   The lead engineer "Talks" to the trailing engines by whistle.  Anything wanted by the lead engineer is whistled, and following engines "Echos" back the command,  which on a triple header, has a lot of tooting going on.. The trailing engineers drive by the seat of their pants to feel the pulling needed, max possible without spinning the wheels, or dragging down the other engines.

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    • November 4, 2019 12:29 AM EST
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      Gary is almost 100% right..   The triple header was 315,  463, and 488.  

      315 is a 1895, C18, 18,000 lbs of tractive effort and weighs 72,000lbs

      463 is a 1903, K27, 27,000 lbs of tractive effort and weighs 136,650lbs

      488 is a 1925, K36, 36,000 lbs of tractive effort and weighs 187,100lbs

       

      Unique because there is three generations of steam engines.  If you were to look each over closely, you can actually see some evolution of design, and function.

       

       

      This post was edited by Dave Taylor at November 4, 2019 4:19 PM EST
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    • November 4, 2019 5:24 PM EST
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      Sounds like it could be a real challenge to get those dissimilar (mismatched) locomotives to work in unison.

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    • November 5, 2019 2:59 PM EST
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      Hi Dave, . . . sorry you couldn't be there.  Thanks to all for posting.  

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