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Aristocraft & Pullman Coaches - background please.

There’s a guy on FB selling an Aristo 3-truck (?) heavyweight coach which he describes as a NYC Pullman. It is green and named ‘Star Point’. I was looking at it and realized I had no idea whether it was a NYC coach or not.

My understanding is that Pullman supplied coaches painted in Pullman Green to several railroads, not just NY Central?

Did those coaches travel in a train of other coaches, painted for the regular railroad - i.e. would you see a couple of green Pullman Sleepers in the middle of a Milwaukee Road consist?

Where would I find answers to these obscure questions?

Well I googled Milwaukee Road and Pullman Sleepers and got this;

This one never entered Amtrak and thus has original paint.

Scroll down about 1" on the first link and the second link is the floor plan

http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-PASS-PULLMAN.htm

http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/pullman-3958a.jpg

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Amazon has it.

John Caughey said:

Amazon has it.

Thanks. Not sure I plan to delve that deeply in to the topic!

Pete,

A quick simple google search has the answer you seek …But maybe Andy is wrong?

http://www.hosam.com/aar/aarpass.html

" Rooster " said:

Pete,

A quick simple google search has the answer you seek …But maybe Andy is wrong?

http://www.hosam.com/aar/aarpass.html

Thanks guys. I did find that site, but my question is more to do with actual consists of coaches on the between the wars era. Did Pullman paint their coaches to match the “host” railroad, or did they run green coaches in multi-colored railroad service.

That (‘hosam’) reference says they painted them grey when NYC did, and the Pullmans that ran on the Pennsy were painted tuscan red. But just to confuse things, it says “(However, in the '50’s, most Pullmans were still dark green.)

Guess I should waste some time on Youtube. . .

So on to Youtube, which confirmed my suspicion that only the 20th Century Limited had a train of matching coaches.

Check out this video - all colors, including green and yellow!

The attached pic is a grabbed frame from the video, showing the green ‘pullman’ coach with the grey NYC coach at 0.59min and then after the pullman is a NY Central suburban coach, a totally different shade of green.

Where is the “Star Point” that you asked about ?

" Rooster " said:

Where is the “Star Point” that you asked about ?

It’s the name Aristocraft put on one of the pullmans. Which is where I came in - this was posted on Facebook. Apparently it has “New York Central” written on the underframe:

Pete, If you open the first link I posted you will find the Star Point listed as noted and the floor plan is the next link. Yes it is New York Central passenger car list(https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-cool.gif)

Pete Thornton said:

" Rooster " said:

Where is the “Star Point” that you asked about ?

It’s the name Aristocraft put on one of the pullmans. Which is where I came in - this was posted on Facebook. Apparently it has “New York Central” written on the underframe:

Sweet!

You gonna whore it up a bit? Are you looking for detailed accuracy on this purchase or an investment?

You gonna whore it up a bit? Are you looking for detailed accuracy on this purchase or an investment?

There’s a leading question. Actually, I am not buying it. I already have a set of 4 PRR heavyweights winging their way to me. It just made me curious about how the railroads handled coaches owned by Pullman.

Pete Thornton said:

You gonna whore it up a bit? Are you looking for detailed accuracy on this purchase or an investment?

There’s a leading question. Actually, I am not buying it. I already have a set of 4 PRR heavyweights winging their way to me. It just made me curious about how the railroads handled coaches owned by Pullman.

OK!

Pete Thornton said:

There’s a guy on FB selling an Aristo 3-truck (?) heavyweight coach which he describes as a NYC Pullman. It is green and named ‘Star Point’. I was looking at it and realized I had no idea whether it was a NYC coach or not.

My understanding is that Pullman supplied coaches painted in Pullman Green to several railroads, not just NY Central?

Did those coaches travel in a train of other coaches, painted for the regular railroad - i.e. would you see a couple of green Pullman Sleepers in the middle of a Milwaukee Road consist?

Where would I find answers to these obscure questions?

1…Yes it was

2…Yes they certainly did

3…Yes depending on the need

4…On Wikipedia which starts off with my history bitch the CVRR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeping_car

Pullman cars were normally a dark “Pullman green”, although some were painted in the host railroad’s colors. The cars carried individual names, but usually did not carry visible numbers. In the 1920s, the Pullman Company went through a series of restructuring steps, which in the end resulted in a parent company, Pullman Incorporated, controlling the Pullman Company (which owned and operated sleeping cars) and the Pullman-Standard Car Manufacturing Company. Due to an antitrust verdict in 1947, a consortium of railroads bought the Pullman Company from Pullman Incorporated, and subsequently railroads owned and operated Pullman-made sleeping cars themselves. Pullman-Standard continued manufacturing sleeping cars and other passenger and freight railroad cars until 1980.

Thank you for peaking my interest and making me dig further. You can copy my homework for this evening but the teacher might find out and then we would both be in trouble!