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    • January 17, 2018 11:10 AM EST
      • Candlewood Valley, Connecticut
         
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      Then there is "one in the chamber" danger.  For my portal build I have been alternating between 7/8" pins for timbers and 3/8" pins for planks.  Last night I switched from the 7/8" to the 3/8" and began pinning planks. I went to move the project and it was stuck to the bench.  1 7/8" pin was still in the gun and attached my project to the workbench. Glad I wasn't holding it while pinning.

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    • January 17, 2018 10:45 PM EST
      • Martinez, California
         
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      Well, it turns out I didn't need the paramedics after all, no blood was shed, and I sent the suit back to the armorer (although my glasses did do double duty as safety goggles). I upped the pressure a bit on the compressor and everything now worked as it should. I didn't accomplish a whole lot, mostly because I moved to a different work space and spent some time getting better organized. 

       

       

       

      I also spent time in SketchUp Make 2017 refining (but not finishing) the framing and design. I have no formal training in construction so this gives me the opportunity to work out the design flaws I know I will make. It also allows me to generate a cut list to determine what still needs to be milled, and, in all likelihood, how much additional lumber beyond my 42 inches I will need.

      I'm really enjoying this project, but I still have to decide whether to model August 18 or August 20. Stay tuned!

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    • January 17, 2018 11:50 PM EST
      • Vail, Az
         
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      Y'know Aug 19th drew a big crowd!  Building afire, pumper shooting the futile stream... Popcorn, Cracker Jack, Get your Red Hotts here!

       

      Design note; where you have horizontal headers butting into the corners, add posts under both ends as thick as the corner posts. The 2x4s in the wall hold up the siding more than the structure.

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      The older I get, the less I know, please don't make me prove it.

       

       

    • January 18, 2018 12:41 AM EST
      • Waverly, Alabama
         
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      Nice Sketchup work, Gregory.

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    • January 18, 2018 12:16 PM EST
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      I guess in order to model the 20th you have to complete the model of the 18th and the circumstances of the 19th.  good but short lived fun!

    • January 18, 2018 12:29 PM EST
      • Waverly, Alabama
         
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      We want to see a live video feed when you start modeling the 19th.

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    • January 18, 2018 1:09 PM EST
      • Martinez, California
         
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      Yeah, I'm still not sure how I'm going to do this but video would be cool!

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    • January 18, 2018 11:05 PM EST
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      Build for the 18th,  if by the end of the challenge things aren't going well.... turn on the video,  use the Way-Back and recreate the 19th.  and then you have a historically accurate model.

       

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    • January 20, 2018 3:55 AM EST
      • Martinez, California
         
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      Made a few corrections and additions to the framing, the primary one being to change the roof from flat to a 12/12, did some research at the historical society about some questions that have come up, and milled most of the rest of the 2x4. All in all, not bad for the day ...

       

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    • January 20, 2018 11:07 AM EST
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         I like that roof. It's a great looking building...can you let us in on some of the details of your research at the historical society if you get a chance?

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    • January 20, 2018 12:14 PM EST
      • Martinez, California
         
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      Absolutely! Along with LSC I have also been posting on the Westlake Publishing Modelers's Forum (finescalerr.com) and the discussion there has been about the livery roof (hence, the change from flat to a 12/12 in my design) and various other objects in the historical photos. Here are two other photos of the livery that I forgot to post here.

       

       

      Anyway, I also got curious about the dates of the photos and the other structures around the livery so I went down to the county historical society and looked at the Sanborn Insurance Maps because the one I had (from 1888) indicated that there was a skating pavilion west of the livery. By the 1891 the skating rink was now the Martinez Opera House, so I suspect the photo is from somewhere around 1890 or earlier. That's one of the reasons I went back to the historical society yesterday. So far I haven't found anything but am continuing my research.

      Here is a blow-up of the 1888 Sanborn map. 


      It shows the livery on the SW corner of Escobar and Ferry so I am assuming the other building in the photos is the office and the I.O.O.F. Hall, or just the Hall. On the other side is a vacant space and then the skating rink (other sources refer to it as a skating pavilion).

      In the earlier 1884 Sanborn map, the site is described as the I.O.O.F. and the livery is there but “under construction,” and in the later 1891 map the vacant space on the other side of the livery says "corral" and in place of the skating rink is the Martinez Opera House. 


      And so the journey continues. There are also 1897 Sanborn maps at the county library and I will head over there next week to see if they shed any more light, as well as other resources.

      I blew up a couple of the photos to show the rather unusual windmill and what appears to be a sign. Can anyone make it out?

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    • January 20, 2018 1:02 PM EST
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      I don't think it's a sign, but rather a window shutter hinged to the white building, you can see a thin line along the top into the shade...

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    • January 20, 2018 1:34 PM EST
      • Martinez, California
         
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      Could be, but here's another shot zoomed back a bit ...

       

      This post was edited by Gregory Hile at January 26, 2018 3:48 PM EST
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    • January 20, 2018 2:28 PM EST
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      OK I found an 1884 Map on line http://martinezgazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Martinez-map-from-1882.jpg

       I also agree with John but I personally don't think it's a shutter I think it's the top half of a sliding door. Look at the door construction on the front of the livery.

      As for the windmill are you sure that's what it is? According to the maps it appears it's a water tower (which would make sense) and could they be some type of revolving scoops of some sort?

      Also are you not making the back half of the livery where it cross gables into?

       

      I keep telling myself I'm gonna start a drinking blog with a history problem!

    • January 20, 2018 4:54 PM EST
      • Martinez, California
         
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      I agree it’s some kind of water tower but not sure for what purpose. Not planning on building the rest ... yet.

      Sign me me up for the blog. I’m ready ... 

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    • January 20, 2018 6:37 PM EST
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      Gregory Hile said:

      I agree it’s some kind of water tower but not sure for what purpose.

      Horses like to drink at the Livery

    • January 20, 2018 7:18 PM EST
      • Vail, Az
         
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      Is there a black smith there too? Another need for water...

      There were many kinds of wind mills and circular/tubular designs were popular...

       

      I have seen other ones closer to your config...

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    • January 21, 2018 2:32 AM EST
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      I was thinking it looks like a water tower also and that the structure above the box portion of it looks like a scoop/dumping mechanism. The horse along the side of the livery looks like it could be attached to this mechanism to dump it(especially since it appears to be in the dump position). Would love to see more pictures of the water tower as I'm very intrigued now!

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    • January 21, 2018 9:22 AM EST
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      My morning eyes noticed that the Contraption sits slightly skewed from the tank/tower, as if that vane sticking out the side actually rides the wind and steers the face into the wind...

      I'm voting; wind mill water pump.

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    • January 21, 2018 10:48 AM EST
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      OK.....Once again ...this is now a drinking blog with a history problem. I have blown over 2 hrs and a pot of coffee on this but I think I have the answer.

      I agree with John but I don't think it pivots. I think the paddle wheel style windmill is sitting in a box on top of the water tower OR possibly just behind it. I also think the reason that it is slightly skewed is to catch the east and west wind. Considering it's California I'm ASSUMING most of the wind comes from the west.

      Now if you look at the map I posted earlier that wind paddle sits almost perfect east/west to the compass on the map. I don't think that they are actually scoops but flat paddles inside the box and the bottom half of the box that looks like scoops are fastened wind deflectors to help keep the paddle going. These old pics do tend to play trickery on the eye. Sure would be nice to see a front shot or another angle. Anyway that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

      Hit the links below the pics and do your own research on this as I'm done for now and hopefully this helps. I did learn something though!!

       

      https://www.farmshow.com/a_article.php?aid=24048

       

       

      http://www.westernnebraskaobserver.net/story/2016/11/03/news/across-the-fence/3511.html?m=true

       

       

      Now I need to go burn off ALL this coffee........

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